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		<title>By: Ryan</title>
		<link>http://www.billrini.com/2005/02/15/follow-up-feedback-needed/#comment-405</link>
		<dc:creator>Ryan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 1969 16:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I'm always around and can help with PHP stuff if needed.</description>
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		<title>By: fhwrdh</title>
		<link>http://www.billrini.com/2005/02/15/follow-up-feedback-needed/#comment-406</link>
		<dc:creator>fhwrdh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 1969 16:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i'd also be happy to help with any php or perl geekiness.</description>
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		<title>By: Tapin</title>
		<link>http://www.billrini.com/2005/02/15/follow-up-feedback-needed/#comment-407</link>
		<dc:creator>Tapin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 1969 16:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Is RSS really the right technology to use for this, Bill?  

(For everything that follows, keep in mind that I've only dabbled in RSS, having written a few screen-scraper type syndicators of sites I was interested in that didn't offer their own feeds)

At first blush it seems like a good fit, but it seems that if you're trying to do something close to real-time rankings you're going to have a "new" (which would mostly just mean slightly reordered) feed every couple of minutes, which means that every aggregator that pulls down every ten minutes will always be getting a new feed from you... I hope you're not planning on including the entire post in each entry?  Or you have a sufficiently fat pipe?

Also, some RSS readers (NetNewsWire for the Mac leaps to mind) won't necessarily reorder if the item (title/link/whatever) stays the same even if its position in the RSS feed changes.  That might be contrary to spec, though.  This also might not be a problem if you're offering the "top X" as a group rather than an ordered list.

Of course, having said that, a) I might be missing something in the 2.0 spec that handles just such cases as this; and b) it sounds like fun!  Sign me up, if you actually need more help than has already been offered.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is RSS really the right technology to use for this, Bill?  </p>
<p>(For everything that follows, keep in mind that I&#8217;ve only dabbled in RSS, having written a few screen-scraper type syndicators of sites I was interested in that didn&#8217;t offer their own feeds)</p>
<p>At first blush it seems like a good fit, but it seems that if you&#8217;re trying to do something close to real-time rankings you&#8217;re going to have a &#8220;new&#8221; (which would mostly just mean slightly reordered) feed every couple of minutes, which means that every aggregator that pulls down every ten minutes will always be getting a new feed from you&#8230; I hope you&#8217;re not planning on including the entire post in each entry?  Or you have a sufficiently fat pipe?</p>
<p>Also, some RSS readers (NetNewsWire for the Mac leaps to mind) won&#8217;t necessarily reorder if the item (title/link/whatever) stays the same even if its position in the RSS feed changes.  That might be contrary to spec, though.  This also might not be a problem if you&#8217;re offering the &#8220;top X&#8221; as a group rather than an ordered list.</p>
<p>Of course, having said that, a) I might be missing something in the 2.0 spec that handles just such cases as this; and b) it sounds like fun!  Sign me up, if you actually need more help than has already been offered.</p>
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		<title>By: Bill Rini</title>
		<link>http://www.billrini.com/2005/02/15/follow-up-feedback-needed/#comment-408</link>
		<dc:creator>Bill Rini</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 1969 16:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&gt; Is RSS really the right technology to use for this, Bill?
&gt; 

I'm always open to alternate solutions.  I've gotten pretty far in tech by admitting I don't know everything :-)

&gt; (For everything that follows, keep in mind that I've only dabbled in RSS,
&gt; having written a few screen-scraper type syndicators of sites I was
&gt; interested in that didn't offer their own feeds)
&gt; 
&gt; At first blush it seems like a good fit, but it seems that if you're
&gt; trying to do something close to real-time rankings you're going to have a
&gt; "new" (which would mostly just mean slightly reordered) feed every couple
&gt; of minutes, which means that every aggregator that pulls down every ten
&gt; minutes will always be getting a new feed from you... I hope you're not
&gt; planning on including the entire post in each entry?  Or you have a
&gt; sufficiently fat pipe?

Good point.  I was planning more on abstracts rather than entire posts.  Maybe first 50 words or so.  

Also, the XML/RSS feed would not be dynamic (at least that wasn't my thinking).  It would publish a static page once an hour or so (via cron).  So people who are checking every 10 minutes will get a "Not changed" and shouldn't re-fetch the page (if they actually respect the http protocol).  If push comes to shove you can always throttle connections with an Apache module to keep the bandwidth suckers from causing too much grief.  


&gt; 
&gt; Also, some RSS readers (NetNewsWire for the Mac leaps to mind) won't
&gt; necessarily reorder if the item (title/link/whatever) stays the same even
&gt; if its position in the RSS feed changes.  That might be contrary to spec,
&gt; though.  This also might not be a problem if you're offering the "top X"
&gt; as a group rather than an ordered list.

In regards to my previous statement above, I view this more of an annoyance than anything else.  Also, not all RSS readers handle this in a consistent manner so . . . not much I can do about that.  


&gt; 
&gt; Of course, having said that, a) I might be missing something in the 2.0
&gt; spec that handles just such cases as this; and b) it sounds like fun! 
&gt; Sign me up, if you actually need more help than has already been offered.
&gt; 

I'll keep you on the list!  Thanks!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>> Is RSS really the right technology to use for this, Bill?<br />
> </p>
<p>I&#8217;m always open to alternate solutions.  I&#8217;ve gotten pretty far in tech by admitting I don&#8217;t know everything <img src='http://www.billrini.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /><br />
> (For everything that follows, keep in mind that I&#8217;ve only dabbled in RSS,<br />
> having written a few screen-scraper type syndicators of sites I was<br />
> interested in that didn&#8217;t offer their own feeds)<br />
><br />
> At first blush it seems like a good fit, but it seems that if you&#8217;re<br />
> trying to do something close to real-time rankings you&#8217;re going to have a<br />
> &#8220;new&#8221; (which would mostly just mean slightly reordered) feed every couple<br />
> of minutes, which means that every aggregator that pulls down every ten<br />
> minutes will always be getting a new feed from you&#8230; I hope you&#8217;re not<br />
> planning on including the entire post in each entry?  Or you have a<br />
> sufficiently fat pipe?</p>
<p>Good point.  I was planning more on abstracts rather than entire posts.  Maybe first 50 words or so.  </p>
<p>Also, the XML/RSS feed would not be dynamic (at least that wasn&#8217;t my thinking).  It would publish a static page once an hour or so (via cron).  So people who are checking every 10 minutes will get a &#8220;Not changed&#8221; and shouldn&#8217;t re-fetch the page (if they actually respect the http protocol).  If push comes to shove you can always throttle connections with an Apache module to keep the bandwidth suckers from causing too much grief.  </p>
<p>><br />
> Also, some RSS readers (NetNewsWire for the Mac leaps to mind) won&#8217;t<br />
> necessarily reorder if the item (title/link/whatever) stays the same even<br />
> if its position in the RSS feed changes.  That might be contrary to spec,<br />
> though.  This also might not be a problem if you&#8217;re offering the &#8220;top X&#8221;<br />
> as a group rather than an ordered list.</p>
<p>In regards to my previous statement above, I view this more of an annoyance than anything else.  Also, not all RSS readers handle this in a consistent manner so . . . not much I can do about that.  </p>
<p>><br />
> Of course, having said that, a) I might be missing something in the 2.0<br />
> spec that handles just such cases as this; and b) it sounds like fun!<br />
> Sign me up, if you actually need more help than has already been offered.<br />
> </p>
<p>I&#8217;ll keep you on the list!  Thanks!</p>
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		<title>By: Bob</title>
		<link>http://www.billrini.com/2005/02/15/follow-up-feedback-needed/#comment-409</link>
		<dc:creator>Bob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 1969 16:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I've written a few RSS readers in perl and could whip this out in a few hours by copying old code and combining with a survey program I wrote a while back. All it will cost you is a link to my stupid blog on your site.

Bob
thedegenerategambler.com</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve written a few RSS readers in perl and could whip this out in a few hours by copying old code and combining with a survey program I wrote a while back. All it will cost you is a link to my stupid blog on your site.</p>
<p>Bob<br />
thedegenerategambler.com</p>
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		<title>By: Dave</title>
		<link>http://www.billrini.com/2005/02/15/follow-up-feedback-needed/#comment-410</link>
		<dc:creator>Dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 1969 16:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi there old chap. I am just enquiring to see whether or not your impressive computer literacy skills are also present in the field of hay farming? Me and my friends have been contemplating growing some hay for fun. You know, for the summer time! Anyhow, we were wondering if you could inform us of any recent, vast hay growth you have encountered recently? Thank you in advance for any wisdom you can cast over this great shadow of confusion we are currently in. Reply to we_love_hay@hotmail.com.

Yours,
Dave and the Farmer Boys.
xxx</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi there old chap. I am just enquiring to see whether or not your impressive computer literacy skills are also present in the field of hay farming? Me and my friends have been contemplating growing some hay for fun. You know, for the summer time! Anyhow, we were wondering if you could inform us of any recent, vast hay growth you have encountered recently? Thank you in advance for any wisdom you can cast over this great shadow of confusion we are currently in. Reply to <a href="mailto:we_love_hay@hotmail.com">we_love_hay@hotmail.com</a>.</p>
<p>Yours,<br />
Dave and the Farmer Boys.<br />
xxx</p>
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		<title>By: Glenn</title>
		<link>http://www.billrini.com/2005/02/15/follow-up-feedback-needed/#comment-411</link>
		<dc:creator>Glenn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 1969 16:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So if I'm reading it correctly, you're NOT going to allow users to be able to re-fetch pages on demand, correct? I wouldn't want you to open yourself to hackers trying to bring things down using the re-fetch in a loop..

BTW, I'm now PHP savvy :D 
I see you already got a bunch of people that said they'd help, but I'm just letting you know I'm here in the case you need ;)

Bloggers r a geekie bunch, eh? -grin-

Wait.. can I put in more net-speak?  
Hmmm, ah, next time :p

~Glenn
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So if I&#8217;m reading it correctly, you&#8217;re NOT going to allow users to be able to re-fetch pages on demand, correct? I wouldn&#8217;t want you to open yourself to hackers trying to bring things down using the re-fetch in a loop..</p>
<p>BTW, I&#8217;m now PHP savvy <img src='http://www.billrini.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif' alt=':D' class='wp-smiley' /><br />
I see you already got a bunch of people that said they&#8217;d help, but I&#8217;m just letting you know I&#8217;m here in the case you need <img src='http://www.billrini.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /><br />
Bloggers r a geekie bunch, eh? -grin-</p>
<p>Wait.. can I put in more net-speak?<br />
Hmmm, ah, next time :p</p>
<p>~Glenn</p>
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