The Sorry State of Online Poker

Posted by Bill @ 9:15 am

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Despite the amazing increase in popularity of online poker the quality of the services being offered has failed to make any sort of significant improvement. Even the newer sites that are just launching on brand spanking new software largely miss the mark. For instance, just how difficult is it to have a real buddy list? Come on folks! I want to categorize my buddy list into my actual buddies and the fish I�ve previously tagged and released. Is that too much to ask?

Really though, buddy list feature requests are the easy things. It shouldn�t take a good programmer more than a few days to complete that feature. What about the hard stuff? What about the stuff the online casinos should be even better at than their offline counterparts? Why do I keep getting promotional offers for games I don�t play while I have to hear about stuff I am interested in from 2+2 message board posts? Why can�t these guys learn a little data mining and actually put me into the customer segment where I belong? They have the data from every hand I�ve played. It should be real easy to figure out what kind of player I am. The online poker sites seem to think personalization means being able to change the color of the deck.

Why can�t I help them figure out what kind of player I am by wishlisting or bookmarking tournaments I�m interested in? Instead of popping up a �Welcome� message telling me about a tournament I have no interest in they could pop up a �Welcome� message telling me how long until one of my bookmarked tournaments or that I missed the one I bookmarked but that there�s a very similar one starting in just 20 minutes!

Again, this is simple, no brainer stuff to anybody who has a simplistic understanding of data mining and econometrics. When/if they ever lift the ban on online poker you can bet the formerly offline casinos are going to understand how important it is to classify and rank customers and offer them products and services suited to their profile. For instance, wouldn�t it make sense to market poker books and/or magazines at micro limit players? They�re not really interested in your $500 buy in tournament you show to everybody when they log in. They don�t have $500 in their bankroll. Why not pop up a message that actually is relevant to them?

I guess you can sum up their cluelessness with an experience I had on Paradise. I hit a royal flush and somebody in the chat window suggested I contact Paradise�s customer service as when he had hit a royal they gave him a free shirt, cap and other miscellaneous paraphernalia. First off, Paradise should know that I hit a royal and contact me! Second, when I did contact them it took three emails before they even responded. This is so easy it�s mind boggling that they just don�t get it. Here was an excellent opportunity to cement a relationship from a longtime customer but instead they completely bungled it.

Here�s some more of my random pet peeves:

Why do I have to click 4, 5 even 6 times on the fold button on Party/Empire? I�ve seen some on 2+2 say it�s a matter of window focus but the first time I click it should give that window focus so why doesn�t the second or third click work?

What the hell is going on with Party/Empire when you click �Wait for the BB� and then before the current hand is even finished you get marked as �Sitting Out� and you have to click �Deal me in�? Not only that, but during the same hand that can happen two or three times.

Again with Party/Empire, what�s the deal with clicking on �Post BB� when you first enter a game and then you get a pop-up box that tells you that it would be courteous if you clicked on the auto post blinds check box. I know!! I would check it if I wasn�t busy clicking on the pop-up telling me to check the post blinds check box. At least when Full Tilt does it they ask you in the pop-up if you would like them to check the box for you and so two birds are killed with one stone.

The poker rooms should put players on probation if they take too long to make decisions. For instance, most sites have a countdown timer which usually starts after what is normally an adequate time to make most simple decisions. If the ratio of the number of times the player needs the timer compared to the times he doesn�t exceeds a certain threshold they should put the player on probation with the possibility of banning the player if the ratio fails to improve. Everybody has freeze ups and connectivity problems and that shouldn�t be penalized but many folks just can�t keep up with the pace of the game and they need to be removed so others can continue to enjoy.

Organize the game list. I noticed this one on Full Tilt because the other night I almost got myself caught up in a $5/$10 NL game instead of a $5/$10 limit game. Luckily, for me, one of the players was a little chatty and while I was waiting for the BB he said something about the buy-in for the table which made me double check the title bar on the window. Don�t mix NL and limit games! Allow players to sort by game (Hold �Em, Stud, Omaha, etc) then by type (Limit, No-Limit, Pot-Limit, etc) and then by blinds ($3/$6, $5/$10, $10/$20, etc). Party and Check N� Raise do a pretty good job at this but Full Tilt is very confusing.

Quit lying to me! Ok, so you log into Party/Empire and you�re looking at a list of games for a specific limit and it says 8 people are on the table. You click on the table and it�s completely full and it�s obvious that it didn�t *just* full up because everyone�s been dealt a hand. But even when you close the table the listing still says only 8 players are at the table! That refresh needs to be fixed. It gets very frustrating hunting down a table to sit at and you keep clicking on tables that indicate that seats are open only to find them completely full.

I could keep going but I�ll wrap up my list here. The bottom line is that the current crop of online poker sites have a long way to go. They need to learn about data mining and customer driven product offerings and perhaps a little lesson in user interface design wouldn�t hurt either. I feel more positive about sites like Full Tilt because I get a sense that they actually think about these things (that and I now have two fellow bloggers who are on staff there that I can bitch to ). Party seems to be milking the poker boom for as much as it can without investing in a re-write of their code. PokerStars, PacificPoker, Paradise and many of the others are so far behind that they may never catch up. We�ll see how it all pans out but unless someone like Full Tilt leads the way I don�t expect there to be much of a major shift until online poker is legalized and the big casinos get in there and teach these guys a few lessons on how it�s done.

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COMMENTS / 13 COMMENTS

Online Poker Software Needs Improvement

Today on Bill’s Blog you can read about his wishlist for poker software features. While the poker software is reasonably good, I mostly agree with him that its lacking - particularly in notifications, watchlists, and instant messaging. I’d add regular…

Cruzino Blog added these pithy words on Mar 11 05 at 12:41 am

Hell, yes…

Diver added these pithy words on Mar 10 05 at 9:47 am

Does Tilt have a buddy list? I can’t seem to find it.

I know there’s a “search” function, but that’s it.

Drizztdj added these pithy words on Mar 10 05 at 10:30 am

If I run into problems on FTP I’m going to bitch to two particular people… even *before* the end of the month.

Good post, Bill. They should hire you as a consultant. I’m not kidding.

As long as we’re bitching about stuff, can you put your anti-comment spam number thing in a place where I can see it? Having it below the post button isn’t working for me.

StudioGlyphic added these pithy words on Mar 10 05 at 11:33 am

Er… nevermind about the last part of my last comment. I just realized you don’t even have it on this page. Issue with Firefox compatibility?

StudioGlyphic added these pithy words on Mar 10 05 at 11:37 am

This is a post I’ve been meaning to write for quite a while now, and never got around to it. You just whacked the nail right in the head. If someone were to write software that took the best from each of the sites, you’d really have something. And despite being the most popular, Party is the WORST offender of poor Interaction Design. The UI is soooo outdated, and could be made a ton quicker as far as response times go with just a little effort.

@Drizz - I’m not having any problems in Firefox. He’s got the tab order set correctly, so it goes Name, Email, URL, Spambox, Comment. I guess if I wasn’t a tab guy I might see a problem, but even then you have to scroll down to the submit button.

Ryan added these pithy words on Mar 10 05 at 11:53 am

Hear, hear. Great post.

HumanHead added these pithy words on Mar 10 05 at 12:26 pm

I only log a couple of hours per week, but I really can’t say enough good things about Ultimate Bet. I’ve found their in-game interface to work exactly the way it’s supposed to, although they do have the same refresh problem when you try to find an open table (how hard would it be to have a “take me to the first open table” option).

Also, their customer service has been really great to me. As long as you aren’t abusive to them they seem to want to take care of the players.

geoff added these pithy words on Mar 10 05 at 12:42 pm

Hear, hear!

The whole “separate actual buddies from fish” thing is such a simple idea that it really surprises me they haven’t caught on to it yet. Especially UB, who’s buddy list is an external program basically based on AIM/Yahoo/MSN and the like that has similar sort features.

April added these pithy words on Mar 10 05 at 1:11 pm

this is an awesome post, bill, and very (ahem) timely. i have suffered from just about all of these issues at all of these sites. i’ve muttered countless times about the party lobby-lag and the waitforbb-sitout-dealin dance. and we’ve all mistakenly sat in the limit sit-n-go at least once.

i obviously feel that at least one of the sites you mention can and will make inroads on this stuff. keep pounding away on them, err, us. whoever. :)

fhwrdh added these pithy words on Mar 10 05 at 9:31 pm

Holy crap! I think I’ve figured out the whole sitting out thing while waiting for your blind at Party… I think it happens when you take a seat at another table. It then makes you sit out at the table(s) where you’re waiting.

They need to fix that.

alan added these pithy words on Mar 11 05 at 7:24 pm

I agree 100% with everything here.

I just hope nobody holds their breath anticipating any of this to happen. Especially on Party, with over 60,000 players, there is simply no financial incentive for them to do this.

Up and coming sites like Full Tilt have an excellent opportunity to differentiate themselves in the marketplace by introducing such features. They already differentiate themselves somewhat with their pros playing quite frequently, but there is the chance to do more.

BadBlood added these pithy words on Mar 14 05 at 10:53 am

The incentive is proving that the changes would make party or any other site more money. For us it is intuitive. For the corporate guys at thes sites, they need proof of bottom line impact for this (and probably going to the bathroom) This data gathering would be an easy task for one of their mid-level management-type (or IT) monkeys. PS: If any site wants help, I will consult.

Sincerely,
mortal_one (a non-poker site monkey)

mortal_one added these pithy words on Mar 14 05 at 12:57 pm

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