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		<title>By: Mark</title>
		<link>http://www.billrini.com/2005/09/25/why-online-poker-is-not-rigged/#comment-10883</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Jan 2012 22:30:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wouldn&#039;t call this an example of a game being rigged...I would call it an example of an extremely aggressive player taking advantage of a lot of other poor players. And a little bit of dumb luck. Notice in most of these, he went in huge before the flop to narrow the playing field...oftentimes the only ones to &quot;call&quot; had absolute trash. That&#039;s just dumb. I would love to see this guy play some real pros who are patient and wait until they have great hands to call this guy. 

Let&#039;s look at a few of these examples...
First hand - I bet someone who folded had the straight, but he bet big before the flop to push those people out. Big deal.
Another hand, QuadCommand goes all-in with 77. Terrible play no wonder this guy won in a heads-up vs that. Someone who folded probably had the Q and would have had the straight.
Next hand after that, everyone folds except 1 other person...again, big deal, he was aggressive and got others to fold.

Also, I&#039;m skeptical this video is really chronological...at 3:27 he goes from 2M down to 1.3M. Did he lose one in between or is there a series of hands we&#039;re not seeing?

Another hand at 4:23, someone else goes all-in with 9-7 unsuited. REALLY? 

Next hand after that, someone goes all-in with 3-6 against him. REALLY?

I could go on, but the only pattern I here is that he is extremely aggressive, and everyone else is dumb and getting impatient. What do you expect to happen if you go all-in with 77, 9-7 or 3-6? I only saw a couple hands where others got genuinely robbed (the KK for example), but that happens even in WSOP. 

Not rigged...just a combination of luck and poor plays.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wouldn&#8217;t call this an example of a game being rigged&#8230;I would call it an example of an extremely aggressive player taking advantage of a lot of other poor players. And a little bit of dumb luck. Notice in most of these, he went in huge before the flop to narrow the playing field&#8230;oftentimes the only ones to &#8220;call&#8221; had absolute trash. That&#8217;s just dumb. I would love to see this guy play some real pros who are patient and wait until they have great hands to call this guy. </p>
<p>Let&#8217;s look at a few of these examples&#8230;<br />
First hand &#8211; I bet someone who folded had the straight, but he bet big before the flop to push those people out. Big deal.<br />
Another hand, QuadCommand goes all-in with 77. Terrible play no wonder this guy won in a heads-up vs that. Someone who folded probably had the Q and would have had the straight.<br />
Next hand after that, everyone folds except 1 other person&#8230;again, big deal, he was aggressive and got others to fold.</p>
<p>Also, I&#8217;m skeptical this video is really chronological&#8230;at 3:27 he goes from 2M down to 1.3M. Did he lose one in between or is there a series of hands we&#8217;re not seeing?</p>
<p>Another hand at 4:23, someone else goes all-in with 9-7 unsuited. REALLY? </p>
<p>Next hand after that, someone goes all-in with 3-6 against him. REALLY?</p>
<p>I could go on, but the only pattern I here is that he is extremely aggressive, and everyone else is dumb and getting impatient. What do you expect to happen if you go all-in with 77, 9-7 or 3-6? I only saw a couple hands where others got genuinely robbed (the KK for example), but that happens even in WSOP. </p>
<p>Not rigged&#8230;just a combination of luck and poor plays.</p>
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		<title>By: coco bumbanga</title>
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		<dc:creator>coco bumbanga</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Jan 2012 20:07:18 +0000</pubDate>
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LOOK AT THIS PLAYER AND YOU TELL ME THAT IS NOT RIGGED!</description>
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<p>LOOK AT THIS PLAYER AND YOU TELL ME THAT IS NOT RIGGED!</p>
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
		<link>http://www.billrini.com/2005/09/25/why-online-poker-is-not-rigged/#comment-10386</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Dec 2011 21:12:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you for this insightful article! I fully agree with you. I especially like the examples from WSOP. 

Another argument most don&#039;t take into consideration...maybe you can speak to it since you work for these companies. If you were going to &quot;rig&quot; the game, the logic &amp; mathematical complexities of deciding who to favor and how to &quot;rig&quot; for one person I would think would be near impossible. For example, you have 9 players. They have all varying levels of cash, skill, length of time playing and how many chips they have purchased. What logic would the game creator use to choose who they want to win? Also if one person gets beat for the reason the game wants them to &quot;buy more chips&quot; they don&#039;t take into account that someone else just won all those chips, thereby negating the purpose. It just doesn&#039;t make sense...there are too many variables. 
Much more logical is these people are just playing bad poker. 
Lastly, do you people not think about others people&#039;s cards? If you have the nut flush but there are 2 of the same card on the board, and your opponent goes all in, isn&#039;t it obvious they likely have a full house or 4 of a kind?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you for this insightful article! I fully agree with you. I especially like the examples from WSOP. </p>
<p>Another argument most don&#8217;t take into consideration&#8230;maybe you can speak to it since you work for these companies. If you were going to &#8220;rig&#8221; the game, the logic &amp; mathematical complexities of deciding who to favor and how to &#8220;rig&#8221; for one person I would think would be near impossible. For example, you have 9 players. They have all varying levels of cash, skill, length of time playing and how many chips they have purchased. What logic would the game creator use to choose who they want to win? Also if one person gets beat for the reason the game wants them to &#8220;buy more chips&#8221; they don&#8217;t take into account that someone else just won all those chips, thereby negating the purpose. It just doesn&#8217;t make sense&#8230;there are too many variables.<br />
Much more logical is these people are just playing bad poker.<br />
Lastly, do you people not think about others people&#8217;s cards? If you have the nut flush but there are 2 of the same card on the board, and your opponent goes all in, isn&#8217;t it obvious they likely have a full house or 4 of a kind?</p>
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		<title>By: Yeppers baby.</title>
		<link>http://www.billrini.com/2005/09/25/why-online-poker-is-not-rigged/#comment-10271</link>
		<dc:creator>Yeppers baby.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Nov 2011 07:43:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tried WPT tonight. Got rivered 95% favorite by a larger stack, because, lets hear it, IT WAS REBUY TIME FOR ME. Man, these players, they build their massive chip stacks making mistakes and bad calls that somehow hit the turn right after they dump crushed. This one player dumped and called with 3 dominated aces, and won every hand. If I make one mistake, Im done. Its amazing, honest to god. I lost my stack, he had to have an ace on the river, or I double. One snap of the rebuy button, and say goodbye to this very new but already disgusted customer.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tried WPT tonight. Got rivered 95% favorite by a larger stack, because, lets hear it, IT WAS REBUY TIME FOR ME. Man, these players, they build their massive chip stacks making mistakes and bad calls that somehow hit the turn right after they dump crushed. This one player dumped and called with 3 dominated aces, and won every hand. If I make one mistake, Im done. Its amazing, honest to god. I lost my stack, he had to have an ace on the river, or I double. One snap of the rebuy button, and say goodbye to this very new but already disgusted customer.</p>
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		<title>By: djiperfection</title>
		<link>http://www.billrini.com/2005/09/25/why-online-poker-is-not-rigged/#comment-10256</link>
		<dc:creator>djiperfection</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Nov 2011 19:24:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Im with jam. Its all about code manipulation. I also have a degree in mathematics and i write programs.  We know that all casinos rig their games. think about progressive slot machines for example. Ok, these are real places we can go and there are people watching what they do. when talking about cyberspace. What would stop them from rigging the software? There is nobody to watch it. And as jam said unless your an expert in encryption nobody could ever figure out what was going on. And if they hired an expert encrypt-er to encrypt the software there is a very slim chance even cia coders can break it.   It would be bad business to not rig the software. As it would be bad business to not rig slot machines at casinos. I once lost 27 times in a row with aa and kk on poker stars.  That&#039;s not variance. the fact that bad beats happen so often makes it a normal occurrence. Variance explains variations in norms. the fact that there is no variation in these bad beats is actually proof that variance cannot explain it. Plus if u go and track down experts on the poker algorithms or people who wrote the programs for pokerstars and merge you would find out why its rigged.  Of course all of them have been paid millions and had to sign nondisclosure agreements. Why would u need to sign a non disclosure agreement if everything was legitimate?  Humans are very good at ripping off other humans.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Im with jam. Its all about code manipulation. I also have a degree in mathematics and i write programs.  We know that all casinos rig their games. think about progressive slot machines for example. Ok, these are real places we can go and there are people watching what they do. when talking about cyberspace. What would stop them from rigging the software? There is nobody to watch it. And as jam said unless your an expert in encryption nobody could ever figure out what was going on. And if they hired an expert encrypt-er to encrypt the software there is a very slim chance even cia coders can break it.   It would be bad business to not rig the software. As it would be bad business to not rig slot machines at casinos. I once lost 27 times in a row with aa and kk on poker stars.  That&#8217;s not variance. the fact that bad beats happen so often makes it a normal occurrence. Variance explains variations in norms. the fact that there is no variation in these bad beats is actually proof that variance cannot explain it. Plus if u go and track down experts on the poker algorithms or people who wrote the programs for pokerstars and merge you would find out why its rigged.  Of course all of them have been paid millions and had to sign nondisclosure agreements. Why would u need to sign a non disclosure agreement if everything was legitimate?  Humans are very good at ripping off other humans.</p>
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		<title>By: Yeppers baby.</title>
		<link>http://www.billrini.com/2005/09/25/why-online-poker-is-not-rigged/#comment-10197</link>
		<dc:creator>Yeppers baby.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Nov 2011 09:08:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh forgot to mention the guy on my right who sat down and raised every hand pre flop and hit four card flushes with his crap so often he was chip leader real quick. He would raise his 5-9 into my AJ and I could only call to watch him hit four card flushes and whatnot over and over again. So, I sat back and used discipline even folding my weak aces over and over again, until ok, I get A8 and Im smoking him here. I call, ace XX on flop. Pot sizer, he calls. X on turn, another pot sizer, he calls. Four on river, I dump, and no way, he calls, and the cards turn over, and he holds A4..man o man what terrible &quot;LUCK&quot;. Like wow man, like ever since I started winning money like 5 years ago, like dude, I can&#039;t do jack no mo. Its like, kinda freaky you know that I can call exactly which seat will bust me before I even play a hand, and he rivers me twice in a row? Like, wow man, like what coincidence.

Yeah right.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh forgot to mention the guy on my right who sat down and raised every hand pre flop and hit four card flushes with his crap so often he was chip leader real quick. He would raise his 5-9 into my AJ and I could only call to watch him hit four card flushes and whatnot over and over again. So, I sat back and used discipline even folding my weak aces over and over again, until ok, I get A8 and Im smoking him here. I call, ace XX on flop. Pot sizer, he calls. X on turn, another pot sizer, he calls. Four on river, I dump, and no way, he calls, and the cards turn over, and he holds A4..man o man what terrible &#8220;LUCK&#8221;. Like wow man, like ever since I started winning money like 5 years ago, like dude, I can&#8217;t do jack no mo. Its like, kinda freaky you know that I can call exactly which seat will bust me before I even play a hand, and he rivers me twice in a row? Like, wow man, like what coincidence.</p>
<p>Yeah right.</p>
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		<title>By: Yeppers baby.</title>
		<link>http://www.billrini.com/2005/09/25/why-online-poker-is-not-rigged/#comment-10196</link>
		<dc:creator>Yeppers baby.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Nov 2011 08:56:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not too mention if you sit at a six seater you can usually watch two three hands and pick out exactly who is going to river you for your stack with horrid calls even before you play a hand. It took the seat I called two hands to do it, as I look back, he made 4 bad calls, and hit the nuts both times. The magical rape me, deal me AJ with small stack rig, I push, big stack calls with A8 I mean this is how he built his big stack right, calls like these, and his A is a heart, and well its rebuy time for me baby here comes the all heart flop with the heart turn and bammmmmm.  Man, these sites are so crooked, so ridden with small time criminals why the hell do you think MILLIONS OF PEOPLE SUSPECT ITS RIGGED, bill? But it must not be because you said so. Show me how many times your K hand sees an ace on your left, show me how many times your donkey ace hits the nuts, stuff like that. Compare it to a real game. Then come back to me and apologize.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not too mention if you sit at a six seater you can usually watch two three hands and pick out exactly who is going to river you for your stack with horrid calls even before you play a hand. It took the seat I called two hands to do it, as I look back, he made 4 bad calls, and hit the nuts both times. The magical rape me, deal me AJ with small stack rig, I push, big stack calls with A8 I mean this is how he built his big stack right, calls like these, and his A is a heart, and well its rebuy time for me baby here comes the all heart flop with the heart turn and bammmmmm.  Man, these sites are so crooked, so ridden with small time criminals why the hell do you think MILLIONS OF PEOPLE SUSPECT ITS RIGGED, bill? But it must not be because you said so. Show me how many times your K hand sees an ace on your left, show me how many times your donkey ace hits the nuts, stuff like that. Compare it to a real game. Then come back to me and apologize.</p>
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		<title>By: Yeppers baby.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Yeppers baby.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Nov 2011 08:47:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>They take prime poker situations, lets say folded to you QQ one on your left, you make reasonable 3x raise, he pushes, you snap call, he holds A7 and flops 776. This is probably the biggest scam they run. If you looked at the percentage of times a donkey ace hits the nuts online, thats evidence enough. Keeps the donkeys around.  Tonight I had a nutcase on my left, cbetting maniac. Every hand, I fold where necessary not losing too much. I wait for a hand, it comes 10-10. Its folded to me, I should be confident enough to raise this hand, but, instead, I slow play it. Because I KNOW. Flop comes, I dont care what it is. I call him down, I dont care. This hand will hold, he is an idiot and he has no clue. But of course, and RANDOMLY we might add, he holds AK suited and flops the K. Wow. Shit, now normally Bill, you see, I would raise pocket tens with one on my left. Are you seeing what Im getting at here? I know enough not to raise pocket tens with one on my left, based on my viewing of what is happening with every hand being played. Play poker, bend over. Call pre flop raises with shit hands, suckouts galore. Bill, its the players like yourself that are too blind to see that ruin it for the players who want a random game. 

That makes me sad.

Not only do they rig the cards, brother, when players in free rolls are sitting out and finally get blinded in, and they start flopping quads, you gotta look at things and ask some questions. Figure out the odds of someone folding all those hands, being FORCED to play this one hand, having a pocket pair (hard enough in itself, correct?), and flopping quads. You sit there and do this, and call me when it happens. Someone will just keep dealing you cards, and you fold until you have the pocket pair, without looking, and then you flop quads, go head.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They take prime poker situations, lets say folded to you QQ one on your left, you make reasonable 3x raise, he pushes, you snap call, he holds A7 and flops 776. This is probably the biggest scam they run. If you looked at the percentage of times a donkey ace hits the nuts online, thats evidence enough. Keeps the donkeys around.  Tonight I had a nutcase on my left, cbetting maniac. Every hand, I fold where necessary not losing too much. I wait for a hand, it comes 10-10. Its folded to me, I should be confident enough to raise this hand, but, instead, I slow play it. Because I KNOW. Flop comes, I dont care what it is. I call him down, I dont care. This hand will hold, he is an idiot and he has no clue. But of course, and RANDOMLY we might add, he holds AK suited and flops the K. Wow. Shit, now normally Bill, you see, I would raise pocket tens with one on my left. Are you seeing what Im getting at here? I know enough not to raise pocket tens with one on my left, based on my viewing of what is happening with every hand being played. Play poker, bend over. Call pre flop raises with shit hands, suckouts galore. Bill, its the players like yourself that are too blind to see that ruin it for the players who want a random game. </p>
<p>That makes me sad.</p>
<p>Not only do they rig the cards, brother, when players in free rolls are sitting out and finally get blinded in, and they start flopping quads, you gotta look at things and ask some questions. Figure out the odds of someone folding all those hands, being FORCED to play this one hand, having a pocket pair (hard enough in itself, correct?), and flopping quads. You sit there and do this, and call me when it happens. Someone will just keep dealing you cards, and you fold until you have the pocket pair, without looking, and then you flop quads, go head.</p>
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		<title>By: Jam</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Nov 2011 15:40:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why are people still claiming Online Poker is legit? I&#039;ve shuffled (poker-sites should try it) through many of the posts; And the &quot;poker is rigged&quot; arguments almost make TOO much sense, its hilarious! 

..Am a Doctoral student in Mathematics, specializing in Number Theory (prime numbers, cryptography, etc), but I also have an extensive background in the creating and use of algorithms. I GARUNTEE that, given  about a month/two and resources, I could develop a base program that alters cards in whatever way I want, and could hide the coding so that, when viewed by anyone other than the CIA, reads &quot;pizza is good&quot;. These poker sites are not &quot;legit&quot;.
 To anyone that might get this reference; &quot;Have you every played MarioCart and been in last place......?&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why are people still claiming Online Poker is legit? I&#8217;ve shuffled (poker-sites should try it) through many of the posts; And the &#8220;poker is rigged&#8221; arguments almost make TOO much sense, its hilarious! </p>
<p>..Am a Doctoral student in Mathematics, specializing in Number Theory (prime numbers, cryptography, etc), but I also have an extensive background in the creating and use of algorithms. I GARUNTEE that, given  about a month/two and resources, I could develop a base program that alters cards in whatever way I want, and could hide the coding so that, when viewed by anyone other than the CIA, reads &#8220;pizza is good&#8221;. These poker sites are not &#8220;legit&#8221;.<br />
 To anyone that might get this reference; &#8220;Have you every played MarioCart and been in last place&#8230;&#8230;?&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: bob c</title>
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		<dc:creator>bob c</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Apr 2011 04:41:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>proof?
1 shills
2 bots 
3 collusion
4 failure to act on complaints of above
5 do we get to cut the deal? - no</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>proof?<br />
1 shills<br />
2 bots<br />
3 collusion<br />
4 failure to act on complaints of above<br />
5 do we get to cut the deal? &#8211; no</p>
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