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	<title>Comments on: Online Poker Not Rigged &#8211; Revisted</title>
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		<title>By: ken</title>
		<link>http://www.billrini.com/2005/10/12/online-poker-not-rigged-revisted/#comment-11017</link>
		<dc:creator>ken</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Feb 2012 10:31:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well if Bovada is rigged they are bad at it. This site gave up a huge jackpot...6 figs. and they are paying.. I suggest that you play at Bovada and trust me...they are for real!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well if Bovada is rigged they are bad at it. This site gave up a huge jackpot&#8230;6 figs. and they are paying.. I suggest that you play at Bovada and trust me&#8230;they are for real!!</p>
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		<title>By: Jam</title>
		<link>http://www.billrini.com/2005/10/12/online-poker-not-rigged-revisted/#comment-9892</link>
		<dc:creator>Jam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Nov 2011 15:18:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>MadDeuce hit all points clearly and logically.  

And on a side note, without delving into computer programming too much, for those of you (the majority) who know nothing about it; Have you ever played MarioCart, the video game, and noticed that when you&#039;re in last place, you get better &quot;special moves&quot;. Its called a &quot;handicap&quot; and is available in almost every video game. To think that multi-million dollar online companies can&#039;t come up with that same programming strategy as &quot;MarioCart&quot;, is just plain dumb!

Online poker is 100% rigged. Mathematical odds are REAL. If I flip a coin a billion times, I will bet my life that it will come out extremely close to 50% heads, 50% tails.  So please stop defending the legitimacy of online poker,  you uneducated, irrational rainbow chasers. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>MadDeuce hit all points clearly and logically.  </p>
<p>And on a side note, without delving into computer programming too much, for those of you (the majority) who know nothing about it; Have you ever played MarioCart, the video game, and noticed that when you&#8217;re in last place, you get better &#8220;special moves&#8221;. Its called a &#8220;handicap&#8221; and is available in almost every video game. To think that multi-million dollar online companies can&#8217;t come up with that same programming strategy as &#8220;MarioCart&#8221;, is just plain dumb!</p>
<p>Online poker is 100% rigged. Mathematical odds are REAL. If I flip a coin a billion times, I will bet my life that it will come out extremely close to 50% heads, 50% tails.  So please stop defending the legitimacy of online poker,  you uneducated, irrational rainbow chasers. :)</p>
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		<title>By: anon</title>
		<link>http://www.billrini.com/2005/10/12/online-poker-not-rigged-revisted/#comment-8457</link>
		<dc:creator>anon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Mar 2011 06:25:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@iknowthetruth - you put a pithy conversation like that up and base the truth on what &quot;Mike&quot; says as your confirmed fact? Online poker needs to be exposed for the fraud that it is but not with Mike&#039;s words alone.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@iknowthetruth &#8211; you put a pithy conversation like that up and base the truth on what &#8220;Mike&#8221; says as your confirmed fact? Online poker needs to be exposed for the fraud that it is but not with Mike&#8217;s words alone.</p>
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		<title>By: Iknowthetruth</title>
		<link>http://www.billrini.com/2005/10/12/online-poker-not-rigged-revisted/#comment-1480</link>
		<dc:creator>Iknowthetruth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Apr 2007 12:22:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>On this weeks first episode of poker after dark Mike Matusow made a comment about how good players never win online. He was talking to Shawn Sheikan about how he and David Benyamine never win playing online poker because they are good players. This is the exactly how the conversation happened:

Mike (to Sheik): me and David never win online, we are like the biggest online jokes that ever walked the earth

Sheik : you know why you guys lose

Mike : because we are good players...and all they do is go click click click and BOOM, it randomly hits a miracle

Sheik : that&#039;s alot of common sense you got Mike, good players always lose right?

Mike : good players never win online


Would Mike lie? I think not. ONLINE POKER IS A FARCE. BIGGEST INTERNET SCAM EVER. PERIOD.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On this weeks first episode of poker after dark Mike Matusow made a comment about how good players never win online. He was talking to Shawn Sheikan about how he and David Benyamine never win playing online poker because they are good players. This is the exactly how the conversation happened:</p>
<p>Mike (to Sheik): me and David never win online, we are like the biggest online jokes that ever walked the earth</p>
<p>Sheik : you know why you guys lose</p>
<p>Mike : because we are good players&#8230;and all they do is go click click click and BOOM, it randomly hits a miracle</p>
<p>Sheik : that&#8217;s alot of common sense you got Mike, good players always lose right?</p>
<p>Mike : good players never win online</p>
<p>Would Mike lie? I think not. ONLINE POKER IS A FARCE. BIGGEST INTERNET SCAM EVER. PERIOD.</p>
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		<title>By: Poker Observer</title>
		<link>http://www.billrini.com/2005/10/12/online-poker-not-rigged-revisted/#comment-1479</link>
		<dc:creator>Poker Observer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Dec 2006 22:51:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The consiracy theory is as follows:
Company A composed of these honest businessmen starts a poker site based in a country which doesn&#039;t care what they do. They escape all regulations and can never be prosecuted. They have their programmer do the software for them..
Even though they can make so much more, they decide to be real honest and keep the site honest.
Ha ha..
Prove that the site is not rigged. And don&#039;t give those BS poker stats. It is not rigged that way.
It is rigged for action! ACTION!
How many people out there have taken the time to register as new user. Deposit $50.  Record Poker stats. Win  up to $100 and then withdraw $50. Play with remaining $50 and see what happens Record Stats again. Trust me, the only people who have done that are being ignored and taunted by the morons who believe the published stats that are clearly not representative of what is goin on in the poker rooms.


And note this: some sites are more extreme than others.. e.g. AP is obviously rigged . You seee fullhouses every other hand (1/5).
There are settings (that adminstrators have access to) that control how to skew the distribution of cards.. I am a programmer I should know..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The consiracy theory is as follows:<br />
Company A composed of these honest businessmen starts a poker site based in a country which doesn&#8217;t care what they do. They escape all regulations and can never be prosecuted. They have their programmer do the software for them..<br />
Even though they can make so much more, they decide to be real honest and keep the site honest.<br />
Ha ha..<br />
Prove that the site is not rigged. And don&#8217;t give those BS poker stats. It is not rigged that way.<br />
It is rigged for action! ACTION!<br />
How many people out there have taken the time to register as new user. Deposit $50.  Record Poker stats. Win  up to $100 and then withdraw $50. Play with remaining $50 and see what happens Record Stats again. Trust me, the only people who have done that are being ignored and taunted by the morons who believe the published stats that are clearly not representative of what is goin on in the poker rooms.</p>
<p>And note this: some sites are more extreme than others.. e.g. AP is obviously rigged . You seee fullhouses every other hand (1/5).<br />
There are settings (that adminstrators have access to) that control how to skew the distribution of cards.. I am a programmer I should know..</p>
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		<title>By: Don't worry about it</title>
		<link>http://www.billrini.com/2005/10/12/online-poker-not-rigged-revisted/#comment-1478</link>
		<dc:creator>Don't worry about it</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Nov 2006 21:10:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ONLINE POKER IS RIGGED. CASE CLOSED</description>
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		<title>By: Don't worry about it</title>
		<link>http://www.billrini.com/2005/10/12/online-poker-not-rigged-revisted/#comment-2774</link>
		<dc:creator>Don't worry about it</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Nov 2006 21:10:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ONLINE POKER IS RIGGED. CASE CLOSED</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ONLINE POKER IS RIGGED. CASE CLOSED</p>
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		<title>By: Big deal</title>
		<link>http://www.billrini.com/2005/10/12/online-poker-not-rigged-revisted/#comment-1477</link>
		<dc:creator>Big deal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Sep 2006 03:36:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is totally 100% rigged for action. Every flop, every hand. You are simply too naive or you are in denial, or just blind.
When I shoot my ace jack all in needing a double up, and get two calls, one with ace three, one with pocket fives, and the flop is 3-3-5, which happens ALL THE TIME ONLINE, I know something aint right. I could care less if ace jack is no good, ace three is a LOT worse. Its disgusting, and I AM A WINNING PLAYER HAHA. So chew that up.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is totally 100% rigged for action. Every flop, every hand. You are simply too naive or you are in denial, or just blind.<br />
When I shoot my ace jack all in needing a double up, and get two calls, one with ace three, one with pocket fives, and the flop is 3-3-5, which happens ALL THE TIME ONLINE, I know something aint right. I could care less if ace jack is no good, ace three is a LOT worse. Its disgusting, and I AM A WINNING PLAYER HAHA. So chew that up.</p>
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		<title>By: chris</title>
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		<dc:creator>chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Sep 2006 18:22:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am not so much worried about the actuall sites doing the cheating, but what about all these advertised programs that claim they can show your opponets hole cards?  I am curious to buy it just to see if it works, to know if i should play only live games. Has anyone bought such a program?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am not so much worried about the actuall sites doing the cheating, but what about all these advertised programs that claim they can show your opponets hole cards?  I am curious to buy it just to see if it works, to know if i should play only live games. Has anyone bought such a program?</p>
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		<title>By: Bill</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Aug 2006 18:10:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Observer,

I don&#039;t think that would work.  Most sites do not know what the cards are going to be when the hand is dealt out.  Many sites put all 52 cards on a virtual wheel.  As a card is needed it is randomly selected from the spinning wheel.

So for instance, the hand is being shuffled hundreds of times per second and the game tells the deck it wants the card currently in 7th position.  The deck continues to shuffle itself hundreds of times a second until the game asks for another card.  Say, the card currently in 32nd position.

So, as you can see, not only is the card picked random but the deck is constantly being shuffled so that you can&#039;t even predict what card will even be in 32nd position.

The way most sites guarantee that the site isn&#039;t rigged is to have independent auditors validate their random number generation and shuffling algotrithms.  There&#039;s always a chance that they could put in a back door and rig the games while still having auditable rng and shuffling but why not just take all the money on deposit and make off for an island instead?  That&#039;s much easier to do.

Bill</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Observer,</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think that would work.  Most sites do not know what the cards are going to be when the hand is dealt out.  Many sites put all 52 cards on a virtual wheel.  As a card is needed it is randomly selected from the spinning wheel.</p>
<p>So for instance, the hand is being shuffled hundreds of times per second and the game tells the deck it wants the card currently in 7th position.  The deck continues to shuffle itself hundreds of times a second until the game asks for another card.  Say, the card currently in 32nd position.</p>
<p>So, as you can see, not only is the card picked random but the deck is constantly being shuffled so that you can&#8217;t even predict what card will even be in 32nd position.</p>
<p>The way most sites guarantee that the site isn&#8217;t rigged is to have independent auditors validate their random number generation and shuffling algotrithms.  There&#8217;s always a chance that they could put in a back door and rig the games while still having auditable rng and shuffling but why not just take all the money on deposit and make off for an island instead?  That&#8217;s much easier to do.</p>
<p>Bill</p>
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