Mike (to Sheik): me and David never win online, we are like the biggest online jokes that ever walked the earth

Sheik : you know why you guys lose

Mike : because we are good players…and all they do is go click click click and BOOM, it randomly hits a miracle

Sheik : that’s alot of common sense you got Mike, good players always lose right?

Mike : good players never win online

Would Mike lie? I think not. ONLINE POKER IS A FARCE. BIGGEST INTERNET SCAM EVER. PERIOD.

And note this: some sites are more extreme than others.. e.g. AP is obviously rigged . You seee fullhouses every other hand (1/5).
There are settings (that adminstrators have access to) that control how to skew the distribution of cards.. I am a programmer I should know..

I don’t think that would work. Most sites do not know what the cards are going to be when the hand is dealt out. Many sites put all 52 cards on a virtual wheel. As a card is needed it is randomly selected from the spinning wheel.

So for instance, the hand is being shuffled hundreds of times per second and the game tells the deck it wants the card currently in 7th position. The deck continues to shuffle itself hundreds of times a second until the game asks for another card. Say, the card currently in 32nd position.

So, as you can see, not only is the card picked random but the deck is constantly being shuffled so that you can’t even predict what card will even be in 32nd position.

The way most sites guarantee that the site isn’t rigged is to have independent auditors validate their random number generation and shuffling algotrithms. There’s always a chance that they could put in a back door and rig the games while still having auditable rng and shuffling but why not just take all the money on deposit and make off for an island instead? That’s much easier to do.

Bill

To me, Party games seem to be rigged by generating flop, turn and river cards adaptively to make money redistribution possible, as was pointed out by MadDeuce. However, any poker room could make it possible to guarantee that the deck to be played is not rigged as follows:

1. After preflop, the server knows what cards will be dealt next. The server encrypts these cards and writes the encrypted result in real-time hand history.
2. After the hand isfinished, the server writes the key needed for decryption in hand history again.
3. The encryption/decryption algorithm must be published and must guarantee that there is strictly one key with which a valid cards combination can be revealed. In other words, it must be guranteed that you cannot decrypt the sequence into hand1 using key1 and into hand2 using key2.

I would much rather throw my money at a real, breathing, human being. Eventually though, cheaters get caught. It’s a mathematical and undeniable fact that cheaters WILL NOT prosper for long. The percentage of hard working, honest people far out weighs the sly tricksters.

As history has shown us, whether it’s online or sitting in a western saloon back in 1878, there is a “chance” that the fix is in. We need to take the same precautions they took back then. We just don’t play in a crooked game. (or….just shoot the cheater

Brent

Then there are the comments that you see more bad beats because you play more tables. Guess what whether I play 1 table or 1000 tables the odds are the same. That’s y it’s called percentages not per hand. When someone has AA vs any other pocket pair heads up that hand should stand up 80% of the time. I’m not talking about poor play where u limp in and everyone comes into the pot. I’m speaking strictly of heads up. Going back to the point. Look at what some of these tournament leaders try to steal with 2 7. any two cards are good for them. 2nd point too many of the flush cards come out. I’m talking about four to the flush. Four flush cards on board. Statistically how often is that supposed to happen. I can’t tell you how many times I lost to this situation, the guy would have 2 of diamonds. Calls an all in with Q 2. 52 cards in a deck. 13 cards of the same suit. So many combinations possible, but i see this flush way too often. Why is AA so valuble when it’s only a pair compared to a flush? I mean a flush beats AA, but everyone will tell you that AA is better than a flush. The reason is the odds someone will hit a flush is so infrequent that everyone will take AA over the flush any day. You expect to win with AA 90% of the time, when you win with a flush you expect to win 10% of the time, but hopefully it will be a big pot. These are some of the examples. Another Example is small blind vs big blind. Too often I will see some guy flop the nuts but the other guy will flop top pair…I mean you won’t see show downs many times because the small blind will go all in trying to steal the blind..But if they both decide to call and check. More often than not it’s fireworks time.

I consider bad beats to be part of the game. When bad beats happen so often you wonder what’s going on. I mean Poker is considered a game of skill. Skill is supposed to win over luck in the long run. So what is this so called skill everyone keeps talking about? A good part of it is patience..Everyone says patience patience patience. Another part of it is to not gamble too often. So these gamblers that call or move all in most of the time should go bust when the so called skilled player makes a call or move with a dominated hand! right? wrong!! So many times I see the smaller percentage win out. The 2/3 underdog theory does not hold up.

So how or why would an online casino rig their games? First of all this is just common sense. Sites need players to give action to make the rake. Like I said way too often someone here catches some part of the flop. It doesn’t matter if you raise enough to get heads up. Both will usually hit something or have something preflop to make moves. 2nd how do you maximize profit? Why would they need to rig the game when they make millions of dollars. First of all you can’t maximize profits if none of your players are playing. Here is the theory. Say you have 10 people. They all have a budget of $200. 1 is a pro the rest 9 are fish. So the pro starts out playing the other players. Soon he takes one person out, then another, then another..etc…Now where is the rake for the online site? The pro player has all the money while the fish are broke. The reason they need the fish to win are they need to redistribute the money. People say like they have enough players they don’t need to rig it to have people play. Guess what buddy I don’t know how much you have or how much you make on your job, but for most average people they don’t make enough $$$ to be having a prolonged poker session. Some may only have $100-$200 in their budget a week and when it’s gone it’s gone. It’s bye bye rake unless they give some of the money back to the fish to play the better players so the site itself can rake. So how do u go about rigging this? Instead of having AA win 80% of the time say it wins about 60% of the time. That way the fish wins some money and are happy to play there. The pro made a little profit so he’s thinking he should have made more, but hey maybe I had a bad session or a losing streak. Everyone still has money and they are all playing…hence the largest poker site with the most players. The fish are happy to be winning something so they keep playing there. Actually if you really wanted to you can give accurate statistics and still redistribute money. I’ll give you one example.

Flush cards are supposed to his 1/3 of the time if there are two flush cards on the flop and you have 2 hole cards with the same suit. So what you do is if you need to give money player A? You just give player A the top pair with the kicker. And you give player B flush draw. Statistically the flush hit only 1/3 of the time. The only thing that changes is giving the hole cards to whatever player needs the money. If player C need some money let him have the AA this time and let player B have the KK. Hey it will create action and you just transfered money to player C who needed money from player B who had too much. Statistically AA won 80% of the time. So there are alot of ways to get around it. I mean one time I was playing a $109 sng 4 players left. 3 hands in a row I kept getting 66. A really strong hand when four players were left. Felt odd and I threw it away all 3 times. I would have lost all 3 time. 1st time 10 10 would have held up. 2nd time K J would have called and I would have lost. Well so it is not too difficult to rig a game making it statistically accurate.

These online games are not really regulated!

Some of the runner runner i get 3 handed sometimes makes me sick. I made a straight on the flop. The guy has AA. I pretty much knew he had some type of high pocket pair by the betting. I had K J. Flop came Q 10 9. All the money goes in the flop. Turn 10. River A. Runner Runner I just love it! About 4% chance for him to win when the money went in.