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		<title>By: justin</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Oct 2011 00:57:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;d just like to add that, despite being a huge advocate of online poker&#039;s legitimacy, I have lately found myself wondering if I am even correct, hence why I&#039;ve ended up here.....
Whenever it has been put to me that it is rigged, I&#039;ve retorted with the same arguments Bill has here, and quickly pointed out how it would cripple any site just having mere rumours of such scandalous activity. However, I too have had the &#039;amazing&#039; start, ROI&#039;s above 40%, only to notice a huge drop off in returns down the line. I&#039;ll get in first to rebuff any claims of players adjusting to style of play etc. to explain this sharp drop, as I can assure you I&#039;ve tracked and noted every player I&#039;ve encountered and according to my Holdem Manager database, over 70% of losses have been to relatively &#039;unknown&#039; players (unknown to myself that is), which would imply clearly that the lack of knowledge is reciprocated. Of these losses, excluding my bad reads and negative plays (yes there&#039;s been a few!!), the vast majority are to players making extremely negative plays, and catching ridiculous 1/2/3/4 outers on 4th or 5th street. VARIANCE I hear you say!!! Yes, I&#039;m all too aware of that aspect, believe me.... No, what doesn&#039;t add up for me is a huge majority of these players have very positive ROI&#039;s, high ratings and an large amount of experience. Figures that don&#039;t correlate with the plays being made, without some sort of additional information..... There was an example earlier about a player not playing a single hand for a long while, then calling pretty strong action with weak holdings, and hitting the nuts. Why would they do that? Given, they could have been priced in, but with such strong action ahead, and I think it was all in, it doesn&#039;t quite add up without some other source of information.   Now, couple posts up my attention was brought to the Absolute/UB scandals of which I was previously unaware. I looked them up and it seems employees with access to &#039;codes&#039; (I&#039;m no techie but Ive an idea about what these are) were accessing the hole cards of other players by aquiring the I.P addresses of said players and somehow viewing their holdings. As has been stated above it hasn&#039;t actually done them too much harm really has it..... I put it forward that it is reasonably possible that these companies could have themselves knowingly been involved, and it is also reasonably possible that those that were implicated could have been fallguys of a sort (this is not to say they were not involved). It has also been rumoured that players (or accounts) affiliated with such sites are privvy to some sort of additional information which allows them to drastically increase returns, which are in turn &#039;gambled&#039; in the online gaming rooms/casinos joined to such sites, where, common knowledge has it, the house always wins. This would, if true, bring a huge amount of revenue to such sites in a very disguised fashion. Rather than the revenue moving around various poker accounts paying X amount of rake each time X amount is wagered, it would be taken in much faster through the casino once accrued.   I don&#039;t claim ANY of what I have put accross to be fact, nor do I offer any example of trillions of hands  that show an anomoly outside the norm of expected ranges of variance. What I will say though, is that whilst having a few documented facts thrown in the mix, nearly all of Bill&#039;s argument IS still circumstantial, and although as pointed out, it wouldn&#039;t seem to be in the best, long term interests of any site to &#039;rig&#039; games, the cases of Absolute/UB do highlight that  it is entirely possible for a party to &#039;cheat&#039; (I understand this is player vs player, but it&#039;s not irrefutable that any site could have &#039;an army&#039; of accounts that are privvy to additional information, and thus accrue more than just X amount of rake). It also should be noted that I tend to agree with Bill that it is difficult to accomplish such complex algorithms, and it is highly unlikely that any rigging is occurring. But I have to admit, I have a small, tiny miniscule amount of doubt....... 
Could anybody clarify for me the dealing procedure for online poker??? Are there X amount of preset full deals in a database, that an algorithm randomly selects from? Does the algorithm shuffle the cards randomly, then deal as a croupier would? Is the flop, 4th and 5th st predetermined at the start of a hand, or randomly selected from the remaining cards? Are the deals selected from pre-shuffled virtual decks? Randomness is a pretty tricky area as nothing is ever really entirely random is it, theres always a factor to predetermine something, whether it be the fact that the algorithms have been &#039;created&#039; to &#039;act random, and are therefore predictable in their own right, or that &#039;random&#039; decisons in humans are actually massively influenced at the sub concious level.....? 

justin   99% certain its all legit!! :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;d just like to add that, despite being a huge advocate of online poker&#8217;s legitimacy, I have lately found myself wondering if I am even correct, hence why I&#8217;ve ended up here&#8230;..<br />
Whenever it has been put to me that it is rigged, I&#8217;ve retorted with the same arguments Bill has here, and quickly pointed out how it would cripple any site just having mere rumours of such scandalous activity. However, I too have had the &#8216;amazing&#8217; start, ROI&#8217;s above 40%, only to notice a huge drop off in returns down the line. I&#8217;ll get in first to rebuff any claims of players adjusting to style of play etc. to explain this sharp drop, as I can assure you I&#8217;ve tracked and noted every player I&#8217;ve encountered and according to my Holdem Manager database, over 70% of losses have been to relatively &#8216;unknown&#8217; players (unknown to myself that is), which would imply clearly that the lack of knowledge is reciprocated. Of these losses, excluding my bad reads and negative plays (yes there&#8217;s been a few!!), the vast majority are to players making extremely negative plays, and catching ridiculous 1/2/3/4 outers on 4th or 5th street. VARIANCE I hear you say!!! Yes, I&#8217;m all too aware of that aspect, believe me&#8230;. No, what doesn&#8217;t add up for me is a huge majority of these players have very positive ROI&#8217;s, high ratings and an large amount of experience. Figures that don&#8217;t correlate with the plays being made, without some sort of additional information&#8230;.. There was an example earlier about a player not playing a single hand for a long while, then calling pretty strong action with weak holdings, and hitting the nuts. Why would they do that? Given, they could have been priced in, but with such strong action ahead, and I think it was all in, it doesn&#8217;t quite add up without some other source of information.   Now, couple posts up my attention was brought to the Absolute/UB scandals of which I was previously unaware. I looked them up and it seems employees with access to &#8216;codes&#8217; (I&#8217;m no techie but Ive an idea about what these are) were accessing the hole cards of other players by aquiring the I.P addresses of said players and somehow viewing their holdings. As has been stated above it hasn&#8217;t actually done them too much harm really has it&#8230;.. I put it forward that it is reasonably possible that these companies could have themselves knowingly been involved, and it is also reasonably possible that those that were implicated could have been fallguys of a sort (this is not to say they were not involved). It has also been rumoured that players (or accounts) affiliated with such sites are privvy to some sort of additional information which allows them to drastically increase returns, which are in turn &#8216;gambled&#8217; in the online gaming rooms/casinos joined to such sites, where, common knowledge has it, the house always wins. This would, if true, bring a huge amount of revenue to such sites in a very disguised fashion. Rather than the revenue moving around various poker accounts paying X amount of rake each time X amount is wagered, it would be taken in much faster through the casino once accrued.   I don&#8217;t claim ANY of what I have put accross to be fact, nor do I offer any example of trillions of hands  that show an anomoly outside the norm of expected ranges of variance. What I will say though, is that whilst having a few documented facts thrown in the mix, nearly all of Bill&#8217;s argument IS still circumstantial, and although as pointed out, it wouldn&#8217;t seem to be in the best, long term interests of any site to &#8216;rig&#8217; games, the cases of Absolute/UB do highlight that  it is entirely possible for a party to &#8216;cheat&#8217; (I understand this is player vs player, but it&#8217;s not irrefutable that any site could have &#8216;an army&#8217; of accounts that are privvy to additional information, and thus accrue more than just X amount of rake). It also should be noted that I tend to agree with Bill that it is difficult to accomplish such complex algorithms, and it is highly unlikely that any rigging is occurring. But I have to admit, I have a small, tiny miniscule amount of doubt&#8230;&#8230;.<br />
Could anybody clarify for me the dealing procedure for online poker??? Are there X amount of preset full deals in a database, that an algorithm randomly selects from? Does the algorithm shuffle the cards randomly, then deal as a croupier would? Is the flop, 4th and 5th st predetermined at the start of a hand, or randomly selected from the remaining cards? Are the deals selected from pre-shuffled virtual decks? Randomness is a pretty tricky area as nothing is ever really entirely random is it, theres always a factor to predetermine something, whether it be the fact that the algorithms have been &#8216;created&#8217; to &#8216;act random, and are therefore predictable in their own right, or that &#8216;random&#8217; decisons in humans are actually massively influenced at the sub concious level&#8230;..? </p>
<p>justin   99% certain its all legit!! :)</p>
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		<title>By: HeeHaw</title>
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		<dc:creator>HeeHaw</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Feb 2011 00:35:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To say that a site has too much to risk losing by rigging outcomes seems a bit off.
Absolute Poker still exists despite a scandal of the highest proportions.   Maybe it&#039;s the gamblers mentality that keeps players there.  Let&#039;s be real, it may have been a rogue employee/wsop champ ripping pots (not card rigging) but their credibility is shot.   No business no matter how big is guaranteed to always be at the top of the heap forever so it would make sense to maximise profits while they are.  From a business standpoint it may even be too risky to NOT rig deals, given the amount of missed profit.   But, like you say, statistics don&#039;t lie.  Maybe that is the genius of the alleged &#039;equitable distribution&#039; rort, the distribution of wins after the river or premium hole cards statistically remaining true, but perhaps it is the &#039;choosing&#039; of who to give the &#039;winning&#039; cards to, and at what stage of the game (bubble usually?)  that may be less than random?  I assume that would be unprovable, like most rigged deal allegations.  The other theory that a percentage of players in tournaments/SNG&#039;s are site &#039;bots&#039; seems to be the most profitable way to rig a site.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To say that a site has too much to risk losing by rigging outcomes seems a bit off.<br />
Absolute Poker still exists despite a scandal of the highest proportions.   Maybe it&#8217;s the gamblers mentality that keeps players there.  Let&#8217;s be real, it may have been a rogue employee/wsop champ ripping pots (not card rigging) but their credibility is shot.   No business no matter how big is guaranteed to always be at the top of the heap forever so it would make sense to maximise profits while they are.  From a business standpoint it may even be too risky to NOT rig deals, given the amount of missed profit.   But, like you say, statistics don&#8217;t lie.  Maybe that is the genius of the alleged &#8216;equitable distribution&#8217; rort, the distribution of wins after the river or premium hole cards statistically remaining true, but perhaps it is the &#8216;choosing&#8217; of who to give the &#8216;winning&#8217; cards to, and at what stage of the game (bubble usually?)  that may be less than random?  I assume that would be unprovable, like most rigged deal allegations.  The other theory that a percentage of players in tournaments/SNG&#8217;s are site &#8216;bots&#8217; seems to be the most profitable way to rig a site.</p>
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		<title>By: Marcus</title>
		<link>http://www.billrini.com/2005/12/01/motivations-for-rigging-online-poker/#comment-8028</link>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Jan 2011 13:38:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Like your work Peter, have experienced very similar starts at 7 different sites, before the slow down and harder to win period! While im still not completely sure whether online poker is totally rigged as such after playing 300k hands over 18 months now, there is no doubt in my mind it s manipulated in some way, i&#039;ll bet my life on that!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Like your work Peter, have experienced very similar starts at 7 different sites, before the slow down and harder to win period! While im still not completely sure whether online poker is totally rigged as such after playing 300k hands over 18 months now, there is no doubt in my mind it s manipulated in some way, i&#8217;ll bet my life on that!</p>
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		<title>By: James Tomshay</title>
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		<dc:creator>James Tomshay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Oct 2009 19:10:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The only incentive internet poker rooms would have in rigging the games would be to generate rake.  I agree they do not do this.  I also can see how the consistant loser would start to think they do.  I feel that even though the U.S. has nothing to do with any of these sites besides attempting to freeze funds, they are still strictly regulated.  If there was evidence of them rigging the games to juice the rake they would be off the interenet pretty quickly.  I am rather suprised that Ultimate Bet and Absolute Poker continue to thrive after their big cheating scandal though.  Any thoughts on that?  I know they were ordered to pay money back to cheated players.  I just don&#039;t see how they still have any credibility left?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The only incentive internet poker rooms would have in rigging the games would be to generate rake.  I agree they do not do this.  I also can see how the consistant loser would start to think they do.  I feel that even though the U.S. has nothing to do with any of these sites besides attempting to freeze funds, they are still strictly regulated.  If there was evidence of them rigging the games to juice the rake they would be off the interenet pretty quickly.  I am rather suprised that Ultimate Bet and Absolute Poker continue to thrive after their big cheating scandal though.  Any thoughts on that?  I know they were ordered to pay money back to cheated players.  I just don&#8217;t see how they still have any credibility left?</p>
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		<title>By: gord</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Jun 2009 01:30:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nice post Bill. In my first year of playing online poker, I too thought it was rigged. The longer you play and the more sites you play on you begin to see a pattern, which is called variance. This takes a long to learn and accept.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice post Bill. In my first year of playing online poker, I too thought it was rigged. The longer you play and the more sites you play on you begin to see a pattern, which is called variance. This takes a long to learn and accept.</p>
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		<title>By: Bill&#8217;s Poker Blog &#187; Answers to the Most Frequently Asked Questions on 2+2</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bill&#8217;s Poker Blog &#187; Answers to the Most Frequently Asked Questions on 2+2</dc:creator>
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		<title>By: peter</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Mar 2006 01:55:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, I am convinced poker sites cheat but for a different reason from Bill pointed out. As in any business they want to have as large customer base as possible and they want to keep everyone, good players as well as bad players. Think about this. Say it takes me 10000 hands to bust a fish if the game is totally honest ( The cards are dealt randomly as they claim). Inthis case the house collect 10000 rakes but if they tilt the game so that it takes me 20000 hands to bust this fish - the house now enjoys 100% increase in revenue. Not only that this fish is more inclined to stay with this site and depoist additional funds than losing his bank roll very quickly , say after winning 1 out of 10 sessions he played. But he wins 3 out of 10 his money is going to last longer - more rakes for the house and more importatly retation rate of this fish increases because he is not so discouraged. Meanwhile where am I going to go? I win in this site anyhow and other sites are going to do the same thing anyway.So I stay with site accepting the fact that I am going to win much more slowly than a regular casino games. It is still better for me to play on line than going to regular card rooms because of time element, availability of the games i want to play,etc. So this poker site sucessfully kept me and the fish by tilting the game. if you expand the number by thousands and thousands of players -excellent,good and bad players alike, the house can maintain far more tables open, thus more rakes, it is a sound business practice although it is so wrong for them to do (cheat) this. Remember excellent players still end up winning as I have done.

How do they do this. It is absurd to think that some computer guy sitting in his office and fix my and my opponents&#039; hands - Bill is right that is too difficult and costly for them. My theory is this. Every player is rated, say excellent,good, average and poor or new and this rating is adjusted according to how much and how fast he wins or loses.The hands a player receive is determined by his rating. This cannot be to difficult for them to do ( I would think although i am not a computer nurd ) if their software is programed that way to begin with. Do I have a concrete proof? No i don&#039;t but I  I am 100% convinced that they cheat based on my experience and some limited stats I took.
Some 2 years ago I started to play 7 card stud at Pacific. my intention was to get my feet wet and move up to higher limit games.I consider myself an excellent 7 card stud player (of course most of the players think the same way). I won at much faster pace than I was accoustomed to. Then I noticed that I was still winning but much more slowly. I did not think too much of this ,knowing poker has peaks and valleys and eventaully the sound playing will take care of amount of money I win.This went on for a couple months. 2 months&#039;long of bad streak? It happened before. No big deal. Right? But 2 months of playing online is like 6-7 months of playing casino games simply because of number of hands you play 70- to 80 hands/hr. vs. 40-45 hands/hr. and often I was playing in 2 games(low limit). Are my opponents playing better? Am I playing poorly? The answer was no and no. I felt the number of playable hands was not what the odds dectiate,frequencies of my bring ins seemed high and the number of bad beats did not make sense.(on the 6 th.st. if my opponent has only 3 outs and 27 cards left, i should be able to expect to win 8 out of 9 times in the long run. that was not happenning.) I kept telling myself I was going through the prolonged bad streak. Before I played higher limit games I decided to keep track of the first 3 cards dealt to me since this is the most critical point of 7 card stud. I only did this on 1000 hands. I realize this is not even close to be an ample sample but good enough for me to play from higher limit games. My bringins were almost 19% instead of 12-13% coupled with the increased number of unplayable hands my fixed cost of playing  went up dramatically. This alone  will stretch bad players&#039; bank roll because good players are not in the pot to punish their loose plays. Instead frqeuently 3 or 4 bad players in the pot and simply trading pots back and forth.
When I dicovered Empire I was so happy . They had more 7 card tables available than Pacific and the players were just as bad. Then the same thing happened, I won very quickly  and after a while I was winning at much slower pace.After all the stud players left Empire, I joined Party and expect to do the same thing, winning fast in the beginning and things would slow down. They did. Now i play sit and go 7 stud mostly becuase of fixed cost of playing is lower than regular games(10% registration fee). I have played approx. 600 tournnaments and am a consistent winner as in Pacific and Empire. The first 10 I played I was in the money 8 times winning 4. the First 100 I played I came in the money 58 times. That must have put me in top rated class because now I come in the money around 50%. a
And I have better understanding how sit and go 7 stud should be played than before. But the pattern is exactly the same if you an excellent player you win ver fast in the beginning because your rating is low or unknown, and as you rating goes up it becomes more difficult for you to win.
They tilt the game in bad players&#039; favor by
1. increasing good players&#039; overhead - namely bringins. Once I had to bring in 8 in a row in 4 handed game when the bring ins were 200 chips. My stack of 5000 chips went down to 3000 chips without playing one hand. I think everyone folded once.
2.aces and bad players. I think all 4 aces are placed in the first 25 cards in some hands. Typically bad players value aces far more than they should. They will often chase you to the river when they have an ace even if they are semi dead. They catch the miracle ace far more often than the odds say they should. If poker site placed all 4 aces in the first 25-30 cards ,say, 3 out of 10 hands that should help bad players a lot. Recently I started asking for hand histories after every tournament because I was not winning all in hands (in sit and go when only 3 or 4 players are left, you often go all in by 3rd. 4th.st. because the stakes are so high by the time. I was ahead with a bigger pair  every time except one hand when my opponent had a pocket a&#039;s I figured I was favored to win 60-70% of these hands.But I lost 16 out of 18 mostly to 2 small 2 pairs while I did not catch a second pair.
3. If you go against another good player in heads up situation bad beats don&#039;t happen as often. That is because he is rated high like you and he gets cards similar to yours.

Many of your readers have similar exprience. While no one can prove beyond the resonable doubt, the online card rooms do have the motivation to rig the game in bad players&#039; favor so that I,the good player,and bad players will remain with their site as long as possible. Am I wrong? Anyone?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, I am convinced poker sites cheat but for a different reason from Bill pointed out. As in any business they want to have as large customer base as possible and they want to keep everyone, good players as well as bad players. Think about this. Say it takes me 10000 hands to bust a fish if the game is totally honest ( The cards are dealt randomly as they claim). Inthis case the house collect 10000 rakes but if they tilt the game so that it takes me 20000 hands to bust this fish &#8211; the house now enjoys 100% increase in revenue. Not only that this fish is more inclined to stay with this site and depoist additional funds than losing his bank roll very quickly , say after winning 1 out of 10 sessions he played. But he wins 3 out of 10 his money is going to last longer &#8211; more rakes for the house and more importatly retation rate of this fish increases because he is not so discouraged. Meanwhile where am I going to go? I win in this site anyhow and other sites are going to do the same thing anyway.So I stay with site accepting the fact that I am going to win much more slowly than a regular casino games. It is still better for me to play on line than going to regular card rooms because of time element, availability of the games i want to play,etc. So this poker site sucessfully kept me and the fish by tilting the game. if you expand the number by thousands and thousands of players -excellent,good and bad players alike, the house can maintain far more tables open, thus more rakes, it is a sound business practice although it is so wrong for them to do (cheat) this. Remember excellent players still end up winning as I have done.</p>
<p>How do they do this. It is absurd to think that some computer guy sitting in his office and fix my and my opponents&#8217; hands &#8211; Bill is right that is too difficult and costly for them. My theory is this. Every player is rated, say excellent,good, average and poor or new and this rating is adjusted according to how much and how fast he wins or loses.The hands a player receive is determined by his rating. This cannot be to difficult for them to do ( I would think although i am not a computer nurd ) if their software is programed that way to begin with. Do I have a concrete proof? No i don&#8217;t but I  I am 100% convinced that they cheat based on my experience and some limited stats I took.<br />
Some 2 years ago I started to play 7 card stud at Pacific. my intention was to get my feet wet and move up to higher limit games.I consider myself an excellent 7 card stud player (of course most of the players think the same way). I won at much faster pace than I was accoustomed to. Then I noticed that I was still winning but much more slowly. I did not think too much of this ,knowing poker has peaks and valleys and eventaully the sound playing will take care of amount of money I win.This went on for a couple months. 2 months&#8217;long of bad streak? It happened before. No big deal. Right? But 2 months of playing online is like 6-7 months of playing casino games simply because of number of hands you play 70- to 80 hands/hr. vs. 40-45 hands/hr. and often I was playing in 2 games(low limit). Are my opponents playing better? Am I playing poorly? The answer was no and no. I felt the number of playable hands was not what the odds dectiate,frequencies of my bring ins seemed high and the number of bad beats did not make sense.(on the 6 th.st. if my opponent has only 3 outs and 27 cards left, i should be able to expect to win 8 out of 9 times in the long run. that was not happenning.) I kept telling myself I was going through the prolonged bad streak. Before I played higher limit games I decided to keep track of the first 3 cards dealt to me since this is the most critical point of 7 card stud. I only did this on 1000 hands. I realize this is not even close to be an ample sample but good enough for me to play from higher limit games. My bringins were almost 19% instead of 12-13% coupled with the increased number of unplayable hands my fixed cost of playing  went up dramatically. This alone  will stretch bad players&#8217; bank roll because good players are not in the pot to punish their loose plays. Instead frqeuently 3 or 4 bad players in the pot and simply trading pots back and forth.<br />
When I dicovered Empire I was so happy . They had more 7 card tables available than Pacific and the players were just as bad. Then the same thing happened, I won very quickly  and after a while I was winning at much slower pace.After all the stud players left Empire, I joined Party and expect to do the same thing, winning fast in the beginning and things would slow down. They did. Now i play sit and go 7 stud mostly becuase of fixed cost of playing is lower than regular games(10% registration fee). I have played approx. 600 tournnaments and am a consistent winner as in Pacific and Empire. The first 10 I played I was in the money 8 times winning 4. the First 100 I played I came in the money 58 times. That must have put me in top rated class because now I come in the money around 50%. a<br />
And I have better understanding how sit and go 7 stud should be played than before. But the pattern is exactly the same if you an excellent player you win ver fast in the beginning because your rating is low or unknown, and as you rating goes up it becomes more difficult for you to win.<br />
They tilt the game in bad players&#8217; favor by<br />
1. increasing good players&#8217; overhead &#8211; namely bringins. Once I had to bring in 8 in a row in 4 handed game when the bring ins were 200 chips. My stack of 5000 chips went down to 3000 chips without playing one hand. I think everyone folded once.<br />
2.aces and bad players. I think all 4 aces are placed in the first 25 cards in some hands. Typically bad players value aces far more than they should. They will often chase you to the river when they have an ace even if they are semi dead. They catch the miracle ace far more often than the odds say they should. If poker site placed all 4 aces in the first 25-30 cards ,say, 3 out of 10 hands that should help bad players a lot. Recently I started asking for hand histories after every tournament because I was not winning all in hands (in sit and go when only 3 or 4 players are left, you often go all in by 3rd. 4th.st. because the stakes are so high by the time. I was ahead with a bigger pair  every time except one hand when my opponent had a pocket a&#8217;s I figured I was favored to win 60-70% of these hands.But I lost 16 out of 18 mostly to 2 small 2 pairs while I did not catch a second pair.<br />
3. If you go against another good player in heads up situation bad beats don&#8217;t happen as often. That is because he is rated high like you and he gets cards similar to yours.</p>
<p>Many of your readers have similar exprience. While no one can prove beyond the resonable doubt, the online card rooms do have the motivation to rig the game in bad players&#8217; favor so that I,the good player,and bad players will remain with their site as long as possible. Am I wrong? Anyone?</p>
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		<title>By: pokerplayer</title>
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		<dc:creator>pokerplayer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Mar 2006 17:26:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Question, please:

Is it legal for poker sites to use &quot;commercial bots&quot; if it irrelevant whether they lose or win. In other words, a new poker site might create 500 bots to give the impression of traffic on the site and thereby lure people into spending their money. Is this legal? Anyone?

Thanks</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Question, please:</p>
<p>Is it legal for poker sites to use &#8220;commercial bots&#8221; if it irrelevant whether they lose or win. In other words, a new poker site might create 500 bots to give the impression of traffic on the site and thereby lure people into spending their money. Is this legal? Anyone?</p>
<p>Thanks</p>
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		<title>By: Ben</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ben</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Mar 2006 20:10:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I  enjoyed your arguments that the sites are not rigged but disagree.  For example Poker sTars sent me an article certifying their site.  From 100,000 actual hands there were 23.8% one suit flops.  That is close to my experience.  However, the writer said that the expected number was 24.2%.  BS totally statistically wrong.  The expected would be about 5.1%.  The only was to have such a high number of such flush draws requires intervention it is not ramdomly possible.  The same is true of the percentage of gut straights hit.  It is just not statistically possible.

After reading your article I questions my arguments on why they do it but I am sure they do.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I  enjoyed your arguments that the sites are not rigged but disagree.  For example Poker sTars sent me an article certifying their site.  From 100,000 actual hands there were 23.8% one suit flops.  That is close to my experience.  However, the writer said that the expected number was 24.2%.  BS totally statistically wrong.  The expected would be about 5.1%.  The only was to have such a high number of such flush draws requires intervention it is not ramdomly possible.  The same is true of the percentage of gut straights hit.  It is just not statistically possible.</p>
<p>After reading your article I questions my arguments on why they do it but I am sure they do.</p>
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		<title>By: curt</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Feb 2006 22:19:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>pp suffers a lack of credibility in my mind because the flops seem so far out of the realm of norm versus my live experience20 + years).  3 of a kind flops at least once every two or three hours at one table as an example.  additionally, the players cant be as stupid as their play--half will call anythything and any raise--there is no way to play &quot;properly&quot; or &quot;well&quot; and expect to see a normal betiing pattern or response.  it is so random that it is not really fun.  also-are ther really ways to see everybody elses hands at the table?  it would explain the otherwise irrational play.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>pp suffers a lack of credibility in my mind because the flops seem so far out of the realm of norm versus my live experience20 + years).  3 of a kind flops at least once every two or three hours at one table as an example.  additionally, the players cant be as stupid as their play&#8211;half will call anythything and any raise&#8211;there is no way to play &#8220;properly&#8221; or &#8220;well&#8221; and expect to see a normal betiing pattern or response.  it is so random that it is not really fun.  also-are ther really ways to see everybody elses hands at the table?  it would explain the otherwise irrational play.</p>
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