Comments on: ZeeJustin Responds To Online Poker Cheating Charges http://www.billrini.com/2006/02/25/zeejustin-responds-to-online-poker-cheating-charges/ Bill Rini's Poker Weblog Sat, 22 Nov 2008 10:17:24 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.5.1 By: Alexi http://www.billrini.com/2006/02/25/zeejustin-responds-to-online-poker-cheating-charges/#comment-111300 Alexi Sun, 07 Jan 2007 08:46:56 +0000 http://www.billrini.com/index.php/2006/02/25/zeejustin-responds-to-online-poker-cheating-charges/#comment-111300 I hate to say it..., but in the old days people would cheat at poker knowing full well that they would get their legs broken, or worse if they got caught. I don't think theres anything wrong with the 'younger generation', its just that people are more likely to break the rules if there aren't any consequences. In a real world game the casino can simply detain you and call the cops. With anti-online poker legislation in the US; aside from confiscating funds (which were illegally obtained anyway) PartyGaming can't pursue the matter any further without admitting to violating the 'Safe Ports Act'. So the bottom line is that if 'Party' catches you cheating, and your from the US theyll probably just take all your money, since you can't sue them, and they can't send you to jail. I hate to say it…, but in the old days people would cheat at poker knowing full well that they would get their legs broken, or worse if they got caught. I don’t think theres anything wrong with the ‘younger generation’, its just that people are more likely to break the rules if there aren’t any consequences.

In a real world game the casino can simply detain you and call the cops. With anti-online poker legislation in the US; aside from confiscating funds (which were illegally obtained anyway) PartyGaming can’t pursue the matter any further without admitting to violating the ‘Safe Ports Act’.

So the bottom line is that if ‘Party’ catches you cheating, and your from the US theyll probably just take all your money, since you can’t sue them, and they can’t send you to jail.

]]> By: Mark http://www.billrini.com/2006/02/25/zeejustin-responds-to-online-poker-cheating-charges/#comment-42519 Mark Tue, 29 Aug 2006 06:55:16 +0000 http://www.billrini.com/index.php/2006/02/25/zeejustin-responds-to-online-poker-cheating-charges/#comment-42519 Found this link interesting: http://www.thepokerforum.com/tlcocap061606.htm Found this link interesting: http://www.thepokerforum.com/tlcocap061606.htm

]]> By: Anon http://www.billrini.com/2006/02/25/zeejustin-responds-to-online-poker-cheating-charges/#comment-15833 Anon Mon, 24 Apr 2006 03:08:48 +0000 http://www.billrini.com/index.php/2006/02/25/zeejustin-responds-to-online-poker-cheating-charges/#comment-15833 It's a shame the U.S. can't get around to legalizing and regulating online poker. They would make a ton of money from taxes, plus we could play on a site where someone who was caught cheating would be thrown in jail for cheating in addition to having their funds confiscated. That would be a REAL deterrent. It’s a shame the U.S. can’t get around to legalizing and regulating online poker. They would make a ton of money from taxes, plus we could play on a site where someone who was caught cheating would be thrown in jail for cheating in addition to having their funds confiscated. That would be a REAL deterrent.

]]> By: Bill Berggren http://www.billrini.com/2006/02/25/zeejustin-responds-to-online-poker-cheating-charges/#comment-12035 Bill Berggren Mon, 27 Mar 2006 23:39:03 +0000 http://www.billrini.com/index.php/2006/02/25/zeejustin-responds-to-online-poker-cheating-charges/#comment-12035 During and interview on the radio program, "The Circuit". Scott Fischman suggested to Mike Matusow get another anonymous account (on the same site) to prevent opponents to get a read on you. During and interview on the radio program, “The Circuit”. Scott Fischman suggested to Mike Matusow get another anonymous account (on the same site) to prevent opponents to get a read on you.

]]> By: Bill’s Poker Blog » I Choose to Accept Personal Responsibility http://www.billrini.com/2006/02/25/zeejustin-responds-to-online-poker-cheating-charges/#comment-11203 Bill’s Poker Blog » I Choose to Accept Personal Responsibility Sun, 12 Mar 2006 20:31:31 +0000 http://www.billrini.com/index.php/2006/02/25/zeejustin-responds-to-online-poker-cheating-charges/#comment-11203 [...] I ran across MrBossMan’s blog the other day after he linked to my post on ZeeJustin’s response to getting caught cheating. First, I don’t think I agree with the overall premise of his response. His take is that there’s no such thing as ‘free will’ and that some set of cosmic forces brings us to decisions. I guess we could have a spirited debate over whether or not those cosmic forces could also bring you to a crossroads where you have exactly a 50/50 decision to make but this is a poker blog, not a philosophy blog so we’ll leave that debate for another day. [...] [...] I ran across MrBossMan’s blog the other day after he linked to my post on ZeeJustin’s response to getting caught cheating. First, I don’t think I agree with the overall premise of his response. His take is that there’s no such thing as ‘free will’ and that some set of cosmic forces brings us to decisions. I guess we could have a spirited debate over whether or not those cosmic forces could also bring you to a crossroads where you have exactly a 50/50 decision to make but this is a poker blog, not a philosophy blog so we’ll leave that debate for another day. [...]

]]> By: Stephen http://www.billrini.com/2006/02/25/zeejustin-responds-to-online-poker-cheating-charges/#comment-10910 Stephen Mon, 06 Mar 2006 21:17:41 +0000 http://www.billrini.com/index.php/2006/02/25/zeejustin-responds-to-online-poker-cheating-charges/#comment-10910 Excellent summation on ZeeJustin... I've read quite a few articles by Zee on his website (which I note hasn't been updated in a while) and find that his actions, coupled with his attempted denial of doing anything wrong, has totally negated any feelings of respect towards his poker playing ability I once had. It's the nature of the Internet and the nature of the online casinos that anonymity and cheating are a fact of life. With no federal legal recourse available to them, websites will struggle to rein in cheating and attempt to keep stories like this from becoming general knowledge. I'm sure that the vast majority of cheaters have not been caught, and those that do get caught never receive as much publicity as ZeeJustin has. Excellent summation on ZeeJustin… I’ve read quite a few articles by Zee on his website (which I note hasn’t been updated in a while) and find that his actions, coupled with his attempted denial of doing anything wrong, has totally negated any feelings of respect towards his poker playing ability I once had.

It’s the nature of the Internet and the nature of the online casinos that anonymity and cheating are a fact of life. With no federal legal recourse available to them, websites will struggle to rein in cheating and attempt to keep stories like this from becoming general knowledge. I’m sure that the vast majority of cheaters have not been caught, and those that do get caught never receive as much publicity as ZeeJustin has.

]]> By: *Michael* http://www.billrini.com/2006/02/25/zeejustin-responds-to-online-poker-cheating-charges/#comment-10819 *Michael* Wed, 01 Mar 2006 22:22:29 +0000 http://www.billrini.com/index.php/2006/02/25/zeejustin-responds-to-online-poker-cheating-charges/#comment-10819 Well done, Bill. I think ZJ is REALLY lucky that Party cannot go "Old Vegas" on him for this cheating. Having the money taken would be the least of worries... Well done, Bill.

I think ZJ is REALLY lucky that Party cannot go “Old Vegas” on him for this cheating. Having the money taken would be the least of worries…

]]> By: geoff http://www.billrini.com/2006/02/25/zeejustin-responds-to-online-poker-cheating-charges/#comment-10801 geoff Wed, 01 Mar 2006 13:40:16 +0000 http://www.billrini.com/index.php/2006/02/25/zeejustin-responds-to-online-poker-cheating-charges/#comment-10801 It's pretty clear he was wrong. It's even more clear that his excuses/justifications are silly at best. Saying he got off easy is probably a stretch. Remember, people 'cheat' in the traditional sense online all the time. They have other people play their acct, get help with a big hand, etc. My point is that comparing online and B&M poker doesn't work anymore. They are two different animals. And I'd guess that people break their agreement (that voluminous document no one reads) with Party all the time too. Party took all of his money, with no differentiation between the monies he may have one legitimately and those he won illicitly. And he probably has no legal recourse. Seems pretty harsh to me. Finally, you distinguish btn. the rules of the game and the rules of the site. I don't think Party makes this distinction. Thus, theoretically at least, it could confiscate all of your funds based upon its perception that you violated either. It’s pretty clear he was wrong. It’s even more clear that his excuses/justifications are silly at best.

Saying he got off easy is probably a stretch. Remember, people ‘cheat’ in the traditional sense online all the time. They have other people play their acct, get help with a big hand, etc. My point is that comparing online and B&M poker doesn’t work anymore. They are two different animals.

And I’d guess that people break their agreement (that voluminous document no one reads) with Party all the time too.

Party took all of his money, with no differentiation between the monies he may have one legitimately and those he won illicitly. And he probably has no legal recourse. Seems pretty harsh to me.

Finally, you distinguish btn. the rules of the game and the rules of the site. I don’t think Party makes this distinction. Thus, theoretically at least, it could confiscate all of your funds based upon its perception that you violated either.

]]> By: Bill http://www.billrini.com/2006/02/25/zeejustin-responds-to-online-poker-cheating-charges/#comment-10792 Bill Tue, 28 Feb 2006 20:32:56 +0000 http://www.billrini.com/index.php/2006/02/25/zeejustin-responds-to-online-poker-cheating-charges/#comment-10792 StB, Ooops. Forgot to say, reps from each site are not ignorant of what goes on, on 2+2 and such. In other words, people at FTP (and I would imagine every other site) have read about ZeeJustin and JJProdigy. Bill StB,

Ooops. Forgot to say, reps from each site are not ignorant of what goes on, on 2+2 and such. In other words, people at FTP (and I would imagine every other site) have read about ZeeJustin and JJProdigy.

Bill

]]> By: Bill http://www.billrini.com/2006/02/25/zeejustin-responds-to-online-poker-cheating-charges/#comment-10791 Bill Tue, 28 Feb 2006 20:30:41 +0000 http://www.billrini.com/index.php/2006/02/25/zeejustin-responds-to-online-poker-cheating-charges/#comment-10791 StB, I'm not aware of any such system. It's a good idea though. Only problem is in such a competitive environment it's difficult to get people to work together. Bill StB,

I’m not aware of any such system. It’s a good idea though. Only problem is in such a competitive environment it’s difficult to get people to work together.

Bill

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