Comments on: Sometimes Life Sucks – DuggleBogey and Full Tilt – Part II http://www.billrini.com/2006/12/16/sometimes-life-sucks-%e2%80%93-dugglebogey-and-full-tilt-part-ii/ The Bill Rini Poker Blog Fri, 30 Jul 2010 02:16:56 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.0 By: Bill http://www.billrini.com/2006/12/16/sometimes-life-sucks-%e2%80%93-dugglebogey-and-full-tilt-part-ii/comment-page-1/#comment-2575 Bill Sun, 17 Dec 2006 20:30:39 +0000 http://www.billrini.com/2006/12/16/sometimes-life-sucks-%e2%80%93-dugglebogey-and-full-tilt-part-ii/#comment-2575 Hey Duggle, First off, I didn't say it was impossible. I said in your particular case it would have accomplished nothing since the IP address originated from CO. Yes, Neteller does do IP checking. Most of the sites that have cut off US customers also do IP geo-location. But even then, it's a very broad brush. For instance, many Canadians have IP addresses that belong to US companies. It's only a moderately good indicator. I think the idea you propose is one of those, good idea taken to the extreme sort of things. It's always been a good idea not to keep large amounts of cash on online poker sites. It's probably not a good idea to keep it at Neteller either. That part is not new or revolutionary. Now you've simply taken it to the extreme by keeping no money on a site. I don't necessarily agree with that though. I imagine someone who plays daily gets away with it for about a month before the site just closes your account. You'll be generating more in fees than you do in rake and poker sites aren't stupid. They'll figure out that you're costing them a ton of dough and cut you off. I, on the other hand, might recommend not having the same password for low risk accounts as you have for high risk accounts. In fact, I'm going to be writing a post on that very subject. Bill Hey Duggle,

First off, I didn’t say it was impossible. I said in your particular case it would have accomplished nothing since the IP address originated from CO. Yes, Neteller does do IP checking. Most of the sites that have cut off US customers also do IP geo-location. But even then, it’s a very broad brush. For instance, many Canadians have IP addresses that belong to US companies. It’s only a moderately good indicator.

I think the idea you propose is one of those, good idea taken to the extreme sort of things. It’s always been a good idea not to keep large amounts of cash on online poker sites. It’s probably not a good idea to keep it at Neteller either. That part is not new or revolutionary. Now you’ve simply taken it to the extreme by keeping no money on a site. I don’t necessarily agree with that though. I imagine someone who plays daily gets away with it for about a month before the site just closes your account. You’ll be generating more in fees than you do in rake and poker sites aren’t stupid. They’ll figure out that you’re costing them a ton of dough and cut you off.

I, on the other hand, might recommend not having the same password for low risk accounts as you have for high risk accounts. In fact, I’m going to be writing a post on that very subject.

Bill

]]> By: DuggleBogey http://www.billrini.com/2006/12/16/sometimes-life-sucks-%e2%80%93-dugglebogey-and-full-tilt-part-ii/comment-page-1/#comment-2574 DuggleBogey Sun, 17 Dec 2006 19:50:14 +0000 http://www.billrini.com/2006/12/16/sometimes-life-sucks-%e2%80%93-dugglebogey-and-full-tilt-part-ii/#comment-2574 Interestingly, Neteller closed my account a few months ago when I tried to access my account from a hotel that was using a foreign proxy. So such a system is not as impossible as you say. And I'm not telling people to take all their money and never play Full Tilt again. I'm simply saying don't STORE your money in a Full Tilt Account. There are safer places. Deposit to play and withdraw when you are finished, just like buying chips at a casino. Please tell me what you think of that idea? Interestingly, Neteller closed my account a few months ago when I tried to access my account from a hotel that was using a foreign proxy. So such a system is not as impossible as you say.

And I’m not telling people to take all their money and never play Full Tilt again.

I’m simply saying don’t STORE your money in a Full Tilt Account. There are safer places. Deposit to play and withdraw when you are finished, just like buying chips at a casino.

Please tell me what you think of that idea?

]]> By: SirFWALGMan http://www.billrini.com/2006/12/16/sometimes-life-sucks-%e2%80%93-dugglebogey-and-full-tilt-part-ii/comment-page-1/#comment-2577 SirFWALGMan Sun, 17 Dec 2006 15:34:12 +0000 http://www.billrini.com/2006/12/16/sometimes-life-sucks-%e2%80%93-dugglebogey-and-full-tilt-part-ii/#comment-2577 Another good post. I think that DB's post was meant in good spirit.. but it seems to have grown way out of hand. I have seen MANY people take money off FT and not want to play there anymore.. like FT has a problem.. It is not right for a company I think has gone above and beyond the call of duty to provide a great site. The one thing I agree with for all of us is leaving huge amounts of money on sites is unnecessary. You can have your working roll at a site and have other funds readily available. Why give FT the interest when you could easily be making it yourself. Anyway good post again. Another good post. I think that DB’s post was meant in good spirit.. but it seems to have grown way out of hand. I have seen MANY people take money off FT and not want to play there anymore.. like FT has a problem.. It is not right for a company I think has gone above and beyond the call of duty to provide a great site. The one thing I agree with for all of us is leaving huge amounts of money on sites is unnecessary. You can have your working roll at a site and have other funds readily available. Why give FT the interest when you could easily be making it yourself.

Anyway good post again.

]]> By: decker http://www.billrini.com/2006/12/16/sometimes-life-sucks-%e2%80%93-dugglebogey-and-full-tilt-part-ii/comment-page-1/#comment-2576 decker Sun, 17 Dec 2006 14:32:23 +0000 http://www.billrini.com/2006/12/16/sometimes-life-sucks-%e2%80%93-dugglebogey-and-full-tilt-part-ii/#comment-2576 Agree 100%. I feel for DB, but if I were him, I'd be talking to Poker Source Online (A site he frequently shills for). Agree 100%. I feel for DB, but if I were him, I’d be talking to Poker Source Online (A site he frequently shills for).

]]> By: Absinthe http://www.billrini.com/2006/12/16/sometimes-life-sucks-%e2%80%93-dugglebogey-and-full-tilt-part-ii/comment-page-1/#comment-2573 Absinthe Sun, 17 Dec 2006 02:52:09 +0000 http://www.billrini.com/2006/12/16/sometimes-life-sucks-%e2%80%93-dugglebogey-and-full-tilt-part-ii/#comment-2573 PSO probably means Poker Source Online, a rakeback/bonus/forum thingy. They've had problems with security before, as a lot of people were getting torrents of spam on email addresses registered with PSO (some of them one-shot addresses, so the source was obvious). If, say, DB's PSO forum password was the same as or close to DB's FTP password, well, that's a pretty easy bouncing ball to follow. I'm expressly not implying any wrongdoing on PSO's part here, just synthesizing a couple commonly-available facts and making a 1000-mile leap to a conclusion I might as well have pulled out of my ass. PSO probably means Poker Source Online, a rakeback/bonus/forum thingy. They’ve had problems with security before, as a lot of people were getting torrents of spam on email addresses registered with PSO (some of them one-shot addresses, so the source was obvious).

If, say, DB’s PSO forum password was the same as or close to DB’s FTP password, well, that’s a pretty easy bouncing ball to follow. I’m expressly not implying any wrongdoing on PSO’s part here, just synthesizing a couple commonly-available facts and making a 1000-mile leap to a conclusion I might as well have pulled out of my ass.

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