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		<title>By: Gene Bromberg &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Listen to the Man</title>
		<link>http://www.billrini.com/2007/01/24/kill-the-man/#comment-136200</link>
		<dc:creator>Gene Bromberg &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Listen to the Man</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Jun 2007 00:53:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Bill also has a post today that is a must-read for anyone and everyone who plays online poker. Read it in it&#8217;s entirety, but let me quote part of it here. Bill was engaged in conversation with Haley, who said, &#8220;So Messrs. Shulman and Ivey, Seif and Hellmuth, Brunson and Negreanu, and all you others: Itâ€™s time to make a stand.&#8221; [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Bill also has a post today that is a must-read for anyone and everyone who plays online poker. Read it in it&#8217;s entirety, but let me quote part of it here. Bill was engaged in conversation with Haley, who said, &#8220;So Messrs. Shulman and Ivey, Seif and Hellmuth, Brunson and Negreanu, and all you others: Itâ€™s time to make a stand.&#8221; [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Brian</title>
		<link>http://www.billrini.com/2007/01/24/kill-the-man/#comment-119094</link>
		<dc:creator>Brian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Jan 2007 18:28:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pretty typical when it comes to government in the US trying to legislate how people live their lives.  See the history of banning alcohol, smoking, guns, and just about everything else in this country that the nanny state doesn't want you to have.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pretty typical when it comes to government in the US trying to legislate how people live their lives.  See the history of banning alcohol, smoking, guns, and just about everything else in this country that the nanny state doesn&#8217;t want you to have.</p>
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		<title>By: onewhowas</title>
		<link>http://www.billrini.com/2007/01/24/kill-the-man/#comment-118622</link>
		<dc:creator>onewhowas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Jan 2007 19:48:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Patrick...

I don't think you get it.
"YOU" or "I" may go to extreams to get our money in a poker site, but for the majority of the FISH, they won't...
I've seen several comments when playing low limit ring games on PokerStars saying that as soon as their account is depleated, then they are done.
I also know several guys that normally play in the 'pub poker' leagues that have stopped playing online.

And as the games get harder, more and more players will leave.
It's a cascading effect.

And this isn't really a battle/war.
It's a slow decline (or starving death) as we sit back and do nothing.
It's much more like a siege.
A battle (or war) would imply that we are fighting back.
I don't see any of that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Patrick&#8230;</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think you get it.<br />
&#8220;YOU&#8221; or &#8220;I&#8221; may go to extreams to get our money in a poker site, but for the majority of the FISH, they won&#8217;t&#8230;<br />
I&#8217;ve seen several comments when playing low limit ring games on PokerStars saying that as soon as their account is depleated, then they are done.<br />
I also know several guys that normally play in the &#8216;pub poker&#8217; leagues that have stopped playing online.</p>
<p>And as the games get harder, more and more players will leave.<br />
It&#8217;s a cascading effect.</p>
<p>And this isn&#8217;t really a battle/war.<br />
It&#8217;s a slow decline (or starving death) as we sit back and do nothing.<br />
It&#8217;s much more like a siege.<br />
A battle (or war) would imply that we are fighting back.<br />
I don&#8217;t see any of that.</p>
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		<title>By: Patrick Corcoran</title>
		<link>http://www.billrini.com/2007/01/24/kill-the-man/#comment-118204</link>
		<dc:creator>Patrick Corcoran</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Jan 2007 22:10:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don't disagree with you.  Boiling frog indeed.

But the temperature of the water will go back down on its own too.  This is a battle of the global free market vs. the US DOJ, and I don't think the war has been decided yet.

There's just too much money on the table for anyone who can go into business serving US customers.  Period.  Someone sets up a Eurocard shell company in Venezuela, and US customer will go there in droves.  Maybe they get shut down, maybe not.  Maybe Stars stops doing business with them eventually, maybe not.

But then a VISA shell company opens up in Tunisia.  The customers move there.  Repeat, ad nauseum.  Yes, it's a pain in the ass, and it sucks.  But the bottom line is that moving cash electronically is both very easy and very profitable.  It's going to be harder to shut down than illegal meds through the US mail, and perhaps even harder than shutting down file trading on Usenet.

This is just one battle.  It's hardly the war.  (Yet.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t disagree with you.  Boiling frog indeed.</p>
<p>But the temperature of the water will go back down on its own too.  This is a battle of the global free market vs. the US DOJ, and I don&#8217;t think the war has been decided yet.</p>
<p>There&#8217;s just too much money on the table for anyone who can go into business serving US customers.  Period.  Someone sets up a Eurocard shell company in Venezuela, and US customer will go there in droves.  Maybe they get shut down, maybe not.  Maybe Stars stops doing business with them eventually, maybe not.</p>
<p>But then a VISA shell company opens up in Tunisia.  The customers move there.  Repeat, ad nauseum.  Yes, it&#8217;s a pain in the ass, and it sucks.  But the bottom line is that moving cash electronically is both very easy and very profitable.  It&#8217;s going to be harder to shut down than illegal meds through the US mail, and perhaps even harder than shutting down file trading on Usenet.</p>
<p>This is just one battle.  It&#8217;s hardly the war.  (Yet.)</p>
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