Looks like the folks who cut paper checks for PokerStars, Chexx Inc, are getting out of the online gaming business this week. That will add yet another online poker site who has very limited ways to process cashout requests. While Stars is probably in a better situtation to replace their paper check processor than other sites it’s not a good sign. Most of these check processing companies aren’t making enough money to want to risk the ire of the US governement.
All of these funding and cashout problems are starting to manifest into worry in the online poker community. Even many of the glass-half-full folks on message boards like 2+2 are beginning to admit that the almost daily pounding of bad news is starting to wear on them. While they aren’t ready to give up on online poker just yet they’re beginning to admit that Neteller’s US exit has radically shifted the entire face of the industry.
Even USA Today is brining the story to the masses so there will likely be an impact on new players who read stuff like this in the press and decide not to risk having their funds tied up.
A small side industry has begin to spring up where non-US Neteller customers are accepting player to player transfers for US Neteller customers and then moving the money onto a site of their choosing or sending them the cash. Fees for such service have gone as high as 10% of funds transferred and more than a few crafty folks have used it as a way to completely rip off the US Neteller customer. Neteller has begun to crack down on this activity because it reeks of money laundering and they’re paranoid about giving the DOJ another reason to come snooping around.
PokerSiteScout has published some research which pretty much says the same thing as I’ve been saying in my graphs. More or less, Stars has been whacked 19% and Tilt 23% Jan. 22-28, 2007 vs. Jan. 8-14, 2007.
Unconfirmed reports have Click2Pay having difficulties processing transactions. If they weren’t on the ACH network watch list before they can probably expect to be there soon so how long they’re able to handle US customers is anybody’s guess.
Rumors have been swirling about new payment processors hitting the market. Full Tilt has added a new processor called WireCard. WireCard seems to be some sort of Click2Pay owned pre-paid debit card. Unfortunately, these will probably be short-term solutions. When the full force of the UIGEA is put in place these onling gaming centric debit card operators will likely run into problems.
Again, the problem with almost any solution that someone can cook up is that at some point the money travels through a US financial network. While you might find people willing to risk going to jail to offer a service to Americans the people who own those financial networks aren’t. They’re risk-adverse by nature and if the choice is cut off a payment processor, bank, or other entity or risk violating US laws, they’ll cut off the payment processor.
For instance, with this new WireCard, you sign up and get a debit card number from them and then you either transfer funds onto the card from your bank or you use your credit card and put money onto the debit card. Now, both funding methods travel over US financial networks. Bank transfers over ACH which just shut down Neteller and credit cards over the Visa and MasterCard networks. At any moment the methods to get money onto or off of the card could be crippled simply by NACHA or Visa/MasterCard issuing a memo identifying WireCard as a company primarily in the business of getting around US anti-gaming laws.
Between when I started writing this post and before I finished it, WireCard seems to have figured out exactly what I’ve stated above and has placed a ban on US players transfering funds to online gaming sites. Of course, being overseas, I can’t confirm this so if anybody wants to go to their site and take a screenshot or something it would be much appreciated.
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Hi, my name is Bill Rini and this is my poker blog. I've been blogging about poker and the poker industry since around 2003-ish. Like most people I started out playing poker as entertainment in home games whenever we wanted to sit around and smoke cigars, drink beer, and eat pizza, and needed a good excuse. I started playing online shortly after the first online card rooms opened and it wasn't long before I was playing 20, 30, or even 40 hours a week or more. One day I received a phone call about a program manager position at Tiltware which was the company that consulted to Full Tilt Poker on software development and marketing. After Tiltware I spent about 2.5 years working at Party Poker where I was the poker room manager.
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Thanks for the updates Bill.
Question: Why not offshore bank accounts for US Citizens? Isn’t there a bank somewhere willing to benefit from a huge groundswell of new accounts?
Seems to me that for their standard $10 monthly fee, plus a one-time “$25 US Citizen fee” or some such nonsense, a ligitimate bank in Ireland or Spain or Belgium would set this up. All they would have to ask to prove some standing of credit is that you make a bank transfer of $x from your US bank to get things started.
Neteller has locked up US account and does not allow Peer to Peer transfers anymore.
From the Neteller site:
Why can’t I perform Peer-to-Peer transfers anymore?
In order to ensure that US members do not use NETELLER with the intent to gamble online, NETELLER is no longer offering its Peer-to-Peer service in the US.
Why isn’t my account certified anymore?
US member accounts have been temporarily de-certified to revoke Peer-to-Peer capabilities. These accounts should be automatically re-certified in the next 10 business days, but Peer-to-Peer transfers will no longer be available to US members.
Why has my NETELLER account been closed?
If you recently performed a Peer-to-Peer transfer, your account may have been temporarily closed. Your account should be automatically re-opened within 5 business days, but you will no longer be able to perform Peer-to-Peer transfers.
Hey Patrick,
I’ve covered this in previous posts as a side note but the main reason is that any offshore bank that starts doing tons of US citizen transfers is going to catch the attention of US regulators. You should also be aware that you are required to report foreign bank accounts which means that if you also fail to report your income from poker you’re a prime target for a very ugly audit.
Bill
You only have to report foreign bank accounts that exceed $10,000.