Bonus Whoring vs. Getting a Paper Route
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Abulafia made some interesting observations in a post that was in response to some of my previous bonus whoring commentary. Specifically he says:
I’ve lost count of the amount of posts I’ve read of people multitabling to clear bonuses. Sitting down and baking in the glow of several screens on a Saturday morning to hit up some site for a monthly comp. And a large percentage seem to run close to breaking even. Sitting down for a morning og 8 table grind doesn’t strike me as a way to work on your game. And it sure as hell seems like a waste of a Saturday morning.
Wouldn’t a paper route be more profitable? It would sure as hell beat the hourly rate.
To test this theory out, I pulled an email from a promotion Paradise sent me in April for a 50% reload bonus, $50 max. Here’s the details of the offer:
Promotion Details: The Bonus Amount will be added to your Pending Bonus account where it will be held and automatically released to your cash account based on these easy requirements: For each raked game (minimum $0.25 rake) you play, you receive 1 point and at 100 points we move $10 from your Pending Bonus account to your cash account. You continue to collect points until you receive 100% of your Bonus money. Maximum bonus is $50. There are no deposit fees using VISA, MasterCard, NETeller or FirePay.
So, in order to earn a $50 bonus one would need to play 500 raked hands. Now, assuming that your game is at the level at which chasing a $50 bonus would put a nice little zing into your bankroll, we’ll assume that you only have the skill to play one table profitably. We’ll also assume that you get dealt 60 hands per hour. In fact, I think I’m being a little conservative here since most low limit games will see the river with multiple players which adds considerably more time to the total. But, let’s just go with 60 hands per hour for the sake of argument.
500 hands / 60 hands per hour = 8.3 hours of play to clear the bonus.
$50 bonus / 8.3 hours = $6.02 per hour.
According to the Department of Labor’s website, the minimum wage in California is $6.75 an hour and the US government minimum wage is $5.15.
At least in California, Abulafia’s contention that a paper route would be more profitable is actually pretty accurate (plus in sunny California you’re likely to get a nice tan and peddling your bike around every morning is highly likely to produce health benefits). Of course, this assumes that you break even and as we all know, in poker, there’s no guarantees of that.
I could go through the math for multi-tabeling but let’s just say that it doubles the win rate to $12. I’m pretty sure a unionized grocery clerk makes better than $12 an hour (and you have far less chance of getting rivered by a two outer). What about four tables? Well, if you can play four tables at X limit then you would be +EV working on moving up in limits over chasing bonuses anyway. Getting good at multi-table play for the purpose of chasing bonuses is like getting a degree in mathematics so you can calculate the correct change faster in your job as a street vendor.
What about the people who actually can beat a particular limit? Well, first off, much like Abulafia’s post confirms, my personal observation is that most of the blog and message board posts I’ve seen indicate that a significant percentage of the folks doing the bonus whoring are break-even players. Those that are better than break-even players need to look at the +/- EV considerations that I mentioned in this post.
And just because it seems like this needs to be a disclaimer I put on every post on this topic . . . taking advantage of a bonus isn’t the same as bonus whoring. Whenever the sites I play at offer bonuses I throw a few dollars in and try to get the bonus since I’m going to be playing there anyway and I’m not changing anything about the games I play or how many hands I’m playing. Bonus whoring is skipping around from site to site chasing bonuses. The site that slammed me recently, Bonuswhores.com defines a bonus whore as:
“A Bonus Whore is someone who takes maximum advantage of the free money that poker sites will offer you for action at their site.”
Despite how BonusWhores.com defines it, the money isn’t free (the first rule of economics is there’s no such thing as a free lunch). Players make tradeoffs chasing bonuses. As a better than breakeven player taking advantage of a bonus at a site I already play at, I’m giving up interest income on my money and accepting the risk that this offshore company I’ve just sent $1000 or $2000 to isn’t going to go belly-up tomorrow and take all my money. I weigh those tradeoffs and decide whether or not I’m making a + or - EV choice. Bonus whoring, on the other hand, is unconcerned with whether or not the choice is + or - EV. The fact that bagging groceries at the local supermarket has a higher EV than the Paradise $50 reload isn’t a consideration for the bonus whore. They view it as free money and will go Neteller funds over to Paradise and crank out their 500 hands and move on to the next site offering a bonus.
In a way, it shouldn’t be surprising to anyone that most bonus whores are break-even players (or worse). Bonus whoring is a results focused activity and anybody who knows anything about poker can tell you that being results oriented is a major flaw in any poker player.
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Anna added these pithy words on Jun 12 05 at 7:50 pmlol,I have heard about doing this but Wow, it’s alot of work for a small return, I will stick to being a cocktail waitress part time
Anna
Abulafia added these pithy words on Jun 13 05 at 5:27 pmThanks for the linkage.
And congratulations on the historic win. The whole thing sounded like a complete blast.
Given your experiment, and my current run, I may well sign up for that paper run.
Michael added these pithy words on Jun 14 05 at 1:02 pmCouldn’t agree more with your thoughts on this. I recently decided to give up bonus whoring, it was taking the fun out of playing and I saw I was giving up EV. It was nice when I started building up a roll, but time to move on.
Good post.
Poker Rabbit added these pithy words on Jun 17 05 at 4:46 pmI think you’re looking at bonus whoring all wrong. No one would argue that bonus whoring pays better than, say, beating the $10-$20 shorthanded at Party. But let’s say you’re a $1-$2 player, by bankroll necessity or skill level, and you can play on any site out there. It makes a hell of a lot more sense to jump around and take advantage of bonuses than it does to just set up a Party account and start plugging away.
And there are certain exceptional cases where middle limit players can take great advantage of bonuses. I play $55 and $109 SNGs, and right now Bodog is offering a bonus that amounts to a double refund of every tournament entry fee, turning those SNGs into $45s and $91s respectively. I’d be a fool not to spend most of my time at Bodog, since there is no possible degree of difference in game softness that makes up for a 200% rebate on juice.
Plus, if a bonus whore is a break even player at low limits, they are learning the game, right? Poker may not be a career, but neither is paper delivery, and poker has more advancement potential.
Just my $0.02. I greatly enjoy your blog, by the way.
mongoose added these pithy words on Aug 29 05 at 4:26 pmthere’s good and bad in everything. i don’t think grinding out the dollar/deuce tables for bonuses should replace anyone’s actual job. but, the extra cash from the rooms can be used to keep the hole in your game from being a hole in your wallet while spend time learning that the way they play it at the WPT final tables is not the real world.
“Plus, if a bonus whore is a break even player at low limits, they are learning the game, right?” - that’s what i’m thinking. until they are no longer surprised that someone might have hit a set of on the flop (OMG - that site is rigged! can you believe it, i flopped TWO pair, and STILL lost!) they need to see hands, lots of hands.
is grinding good for your no limit game? well, that is a conversation.
No added these pithy words on Oct 15 05 at 12:35 pmI have since moved beyond poker bonus whoring, but you are way off in your math. Your ‘experiment’ is very poorly designed and is more like you just thinking about it and working some math out, which, suprise surprise, got you the answer you expected to get. When I did this I made a tad over $30/hr. That’s extremely good considering I was in college, there was no commute, I could play from the comfort of my home, and I was learning a useful skill, all contra being a grociery bagger or paper delivery boy (or part-time cocktail waitress). It was very much +EV, and to suggest that the people over at bonuswhores don’t consider EV is laughable at best.
Bill added these pithy words on Oct 15 05 at 1:27 pmNo,
Well since you did bring it up, how were you making $30/hr? While you complain about my math, you failed to show yours alltogether. But hey. you’re some random guy commenting on a blog so I should believe you, right?
As I’ve always said, I don’t think it’s impossible for bonus whoring to be +EV. What I’m saying is that it may be -EV compared to other options.
The fact that BonusWhores would even define bonus whoring as “free money” is evidence of the fact that they fail to grasp some very basic economic fundamentals. And, I have read (and continue to read) the message boards over there and while I didn’t make a blanket statement about *every* bonus whore, I can say that there are enough bonus whores who are simply chasing dollars regardless of the EV that it’s an important issue to address.
Bill
doubledownA added these pithy words on Oct 18 05 at 6:11 pmI’ve always wanted to be a Whore, now’s my chance
John added these pithy words on Nov 10 05 at 2:52 pmI don’t advicate bonus whoring. Let’s face it your time is better spent working on something productive. If you play poker for a bit of fun then why not take the bonus (it’s an incentive to deposit).
Anyways, I’m all for learning to play poker properly and make money that way. Bonus hunting just is to time consuming. Plus you need to add in the time it takes to open accounts etc.
Cool site,
John
Jocke added these pithy words on Jan 24 06 at 11:57 amI play 1/2 limit and I bonuswhore like crazy. I play for money not to brag about me playing high limits. I make MUCH MUCH more money than my friends that play 0.5/1 NL and they grind like fools.
You suck at math by the way. Bonuswhores are realistic. They realize that they aren’t the best poker players in the world like you (and like every “real” poker player in the world) seems to think.
If I want to brag about how good I am at poker I play 3/6 limit. If I want to earn money I bonuswhore at 1/2 limit.
By the way, I enjoy poker. I don’t work.
Aces123 added these pithy words on May 20 06 at 4:21 pm..and anybody who knows anything about poker can tell you that being results oriented is a major flaw in any poker player…
I think the flaw is being results oriented in the short term, and thus making plays that are unsound in the long run. But in the long run you have to be results oriented, otherwise it will just be gambling.
Stewart added these pithy words on May 21 06 at 12:07 amMulti-tabling may clear bonus quickly but you can’t read players/put them on a hand when you have forty or more to read. Strictly playing percentages/premium hands over the long run makes your game easy to read and reduces the amount of value you can extract from a hand. It also causes you to lose more when you get drawn on. Chasing bonus in a loose fish pool will build a big roll fairly fast but don’t kid yourself you can play poker or put a move on a man. When the bonus clears your back to fish grinding at 2bb/100. At 1/2 limits 60h/hr four tabling you’ll earn $4.80 /hr
Dave added these pithy words on Jun 03 06 at 7:37 amMost of the time I would have agreed with the comments. My particular quest has to do with starting from $0 and growing a bank account not a bankroll. So far in just under two weeks I have gone from $0.00 to $500 using freeroll tournaments and bonuses. I look forward to seeing some comments in my blog from you guys. I am now at the move to $1000 in the next two weeks. That will give me some real capital to continue my quest.
Dave
Phil added these pithy words on Sep 08 06 at 2:36 amThe only place where bonus whoring really works are online casinos that allow you to meet wagering requirements with blackjack. You can check out the tutorials on my site for details.
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