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Hi, my name is Bill Rini and this is my poker blog. I've been blogging about poker and the poker industry since around 2003-ish. Like most people I started out playing poker as entertainment in home games whenever we wanted to sit around and smoke cigars, drink beer, and eat pizza, and needed a good excuse. I started playing online shortly after the first online card rooms opened and it wasn't long before I was playing 20, 30, or even 40 hours a week or more. One day I received a phone call about a program manager position at Tiltware which was the company that consulted to Full Tilt Poker on software development and marketing. After Tiltware I spent about 2.5 years working at Party Poker where I was the poker room manager.
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yes, full tilt poker is rigged. I’m not sure if all online poker is rigged, but full tilt is for sure. we used tracking software for the past year on that site and it is astounding. affiliates make good money from poker rooms. but there is a reason why it is illegal in the States. Care to reply to a victim of full tilt poker? and possibly all of online poker?
I have to agree with your assessment, even without the often requested “proof” !!! FTP is NOT random; PERIOD! Odds never hold up there; if you are a 90% favorite expect to lose 90% of the time!
I am in total agreement. Get these last few hands. pocket 5s against pocket 4s… pulls a 4 on the river. AK against AJ ace on the board… pulls a J on the river. Guy gets 4 spades on the table to beat my flopped straight. And this is all in the past week. It’s totally rigged. I think FT sets up automatic players or bots and their rake is added to the FT account. One way to bolster FT’s earnings. Sickening. And I know that I’m not alone in this.
Boy I’m not entirely sure if you guys are correct. I’ve played at Full Tilt Poker for a long time now and I’m a very solid player. I’ve had my share of beats, but nothing out of the ordinary.
As for Full Tilt Poker for Mac, I am actually the webmaster of a Mac website that deals with that, http://www.imaconlinepoker.com. Read my personal review of FullTilt Poker there.
I disagree here guys, play some poker and suck it up. Ive had my share of aces cracked but it happens, its called temporary volatility but in the long run math is always right.
I know that Full Tilt Poker is rigged Hell Chris Ferguson is smart and hired computer programmers to build the site a certain way. He’s no idiot and rest assured he is making millions off of idiots that play on it. Look at Party Poker the owners of that cashed out of the business with over a billion dollars how do you think they made a million dollars off the rake? Doubt it! Your not playing other opponents like you for there money your playing robots set up to catch hands and put you in situations were everything you see on TV says your the favorite and call then you get sucked out. I’ve also done a study and I also go to Las Vegas almost monthly and every time I go to Vegas and play poker in live games I do very well never lose and everytime I log on to a poker room online I lose. It’s rigged Period!!!! MarkAdamczyk@yahoo.com if you want to talk about your experience!! http://www.TalentPOker.com will be my site and I’m going to make sure its not rigged!
Oh and one last thing to make sure you know Full Tilt is rigged go sit down at a .25/.50 cent table one that only has one or two players at it and sit down with however much money you want now watch how that table will fill up all with people that have exactly $50 it’s funny there computers set up to come to the table!
Full Tilt Poker is definitely rigged. I started playing on this site about two years ago for play money, I wanted to get good enough to play for realy money without losing too much and hopefully make some. I started out with 1000 play money chips, playin 5/10 limit hold em, and was up to about 12,000, and had seen definite improvement in my game. I finally decided to make the leap and in two days lost $150.00 at .25/.50 limit holdem. At first I just thought I was just on a real bad streak. I started out playing a bit aggressively as I had been doing in play money, I realized that was a big mistake. I think what it is is that the play money games, are pretty real, but the real money games are rigged. At first I was thinking well maybe it’s probably just better players at the real money tables, but after playing for several hours just trying to recoup even a little bit of what I had lost, and eventually losing all of it, I don’t think that’s the case. I was encountering players or groups of players left and right who would be winning with two pairs, straights, flushes, full hoses, and every thing there is when it was hard for me to even get a pair, even with only a couple other players at the table, they would just keep on beating the pants off of me hand after hand. I t was very hard sometimes to win even one hand even with only one or two other players at the table. I think agreee with PissedOffRounder that they are automatic players or robots. You sit down at a table, and they come to take your money. I have learned my lesson. I will never play at that scam website for real money again.
Okay dokay - done with Full Tilt for me. In t he past when I emailed then regarding the randomness of their card server I got the typical we use RNG, etc. etc. - Okay I said - must be me. However, odd crap just kept happening (inexplicable calls of all ins with unbelievable suck outs). So - I kept my own stats. After 1000 all in showdowns (not hands - just pure showdowns)
* When I am the favorite I only win 48%
* When I am the dog I lose 73%
Pocket Aces were the worse of all things - they held up 47% (geesh). So - after playing in a SNG where I had aces cracked twice AND - for the entire table the favorite in all in showdowns lost 13 out of 17 times - the last being my KQ of hearts virus 87 off suit (great call of my all once gain emailed Full Tilt. I wanted to know who audited their site to ensure that results were truly random. Their response:
“We are evaluating several well-known auditing firms and hope to have our shuffling and dealing
processes officially audited in the near future.”
Basically - THEY DON”T HAVE AN INDEPENDENT AUDIT TO CONFIRM THAT THEIR DEALING IS RANDOM! I can see why they wouldn’t - it is only the most important issue facing online players. How could they not??? So basically, everything you hear from this is testimonial in nature and not supported by any review.
So - I am done listening to the folks who tell me there is no incentive (there is - rake), that there is no cheating (wait for the next Absolute scam to surface) and that it is just me. I am a college grad (math major) and have been playing B&M mortar poker for 20 years. This site is simply not random. I am done with it.
Your stats show nothing. 48% to win when what? You were 51/49 or 99/01?
And you seem not to have read my other posts on the incentive for cheating because the stuff you talk about would actually net them less profit.
Of the 1000 showdowns I referenced I was a favorite (per an automated poker odds calculator in all in showdowns 730 of the 1000 hands. I won 350 = 48%.
You are just wrong (or perhaps just unaware) on the net profit motive - read one of the thousand posts on this subject and educate yourself.
You’re a shill
Oh my goodness, I must be a shill. I work for a competitor of the site you accuse of cheating . . . I must be biased.
Of course, as is the norm . . . you haven’t provided the actual hand histories over 20,000 hands.
Sure - I work for Full Tilt :)
Again - the question - why no audit?? Would you buy stock in a company who did not audit their statements? (I am assuming no). But you are going to beleive these guys cause they say so - okay
Well maybe I should pass along your comments to Ray and Howard. I’m sure they would love to know who you are.
I worked at FTP as well and I can tell you that I don’t in any way, shape, or form believe that they are not 100% honest. I know Dave S and Dean who wrote 99.999% of the client and server code. I wouldn’t trust either check raising the river with a busted draw but I do trust them as far as software developers and I don’t think either one of them would ever write a dodgy piece of code.
So why don’t you name names if you think you have the cahones?
BTW, I checked the server logs and your IP address is assigned to:
socal.rr.com
That means that even though FTP is based out of Ireland that you’re posting somewhere out of So Cal. I call bullshit.
Dude - I was joking about working at FT - or did you miss the :) for christ sakes!
So you worked for all of them - great - you sound real independent. Ought to trust you. You still never addressed my issue (where is the audit!!!) and I suspect that since this is the third time I raised it you never will. You’re a waste of time (probably six or something anyway) and I am done
with you - Christ!! Learn to argue in logic. The question is/was and always will be where is the audit. Don;t waste my time with anymore diatribe
Well, I can’t answer for FTP since I don’t currently work there. Why would you ask me when your question is best addressed by the company?
So keep raising the same question in the wrong forum and then getting angry when you don’t get the response you need.
I’ve told you what I know. I play on FTP and don’t have any reason to believe there’s anything dodgy going on there.
Listen, if you think you have proof it’s rigged then send me over 20,000 hands or so and we can take a look. Better yet, for a completely independent view go to 2+2 or P5’s and ask them to review your hand histories.
The problem I have with people like you is that you can make any claim you like here. You can tell me how many hands you won or lost and come to any conclusion you like. But when I or anyone asks you for hand histories or something that can be verified . . . nothing.
You want to argue logic? Give me something more than random stats that you could have just pulled out of your ass. Give me something to work with.
Bill
LMAO - I told you (three times I think) I did ask the company. They said they were looking into it. When they get around to it and pass the audit - I’ll be back.
p.s. since this is the wrong site to discuss these issues I won’t anymore - cya and best of luck on whatever it is you are trying to do here
Hi loser, i dont really think that full tilt would have any kind of profit of being rigged. My Stats are good. I won with pocket AA 81% of the time of 48 times i got aces in last month. AKs won 59% of the time i got 32 times AKs last month. AKos 95 times 67%. KK won 80.77% of the time last month got them 52 times. QQ 48 times 77% …. I doesnt look like rigged to me … Draw odds are also correct. So there is no reason to think that the site is rigged. You should try to correct ur game before putting that kind of comments on any internet site.
Full Tilt is rigged! i have been playing poker for 5 years now and am very serious about the game. I have read harrington on holdem vol. 1,2,&3 on tournament play i have also read his 2 volumes on cash which are all sources of excellent material to polish up your game. I used to consistently win on FTP it was beatiful to win $410 here and $410 there and build a bankroll up and then be able to pay your rent and take your significant other out or treat her. I play live now because i always make the final table or cash and i dont have to worry about my opponents consitently catching runner-runner on me. I have proof that FTP is rigged i would be more than happy to share hand history. I also have a friend that has stayed with me over the past 6 months and has observed me constintely winning or making final table that it finally interested him and he became my protege making his first thousand dollars in a 2 week period playing sit and gos he has finally taped out his run on FTP and gave back all his bankroll and $1500 of his hard earned money only to see suck out after suck out. Sucks because now he has lost interest in a beatiful game. I know my odds, pot odds, and implied odds well. If i dont win a tourney I dont eat and i dont get to pay my bills. Full tilt is set up to keep u depositing and after you make $5000+ sit back and prepare to hand that over to some of the worst players and worst moves i have ever seen. Playing on full tilt will get you on tilt and make you question yourself not only as a player but as a individual. Yes some players are horrible and do go on rants and rail FTP and a majority of those players have no clue to what there doing but real players (rounders) that play on full tilt that i play with in B&M’s make money on the site but not what they should be making for the amount of hands they play and the time they put in, It is only due to the runner-runner suck-outs that keep us players that do it for a living in the B&M’s p.s. I made my final deposits last week, i put $600 on the site split up over 3 accounts (LOL i know having multiaccounts are not allowed but catch me if you can, i dont cheat i play straight up. it was for educational purposes) guess what happened? I took 1st in a few tournaments playing the same way i have played on my other account then Whamo! suck-out city and suck-out city never sleeps on FTP, that is why i will share my hand histories. Whenever you get all your money in with the best of it and are already celebrating your amazing play of inducing your opponent into dumping his stack to you, you see the only out that your opponent needed magically appears on the river. You stare at your stack that has now been shuffled over to your opponent with one out to save him and he was holding pocket 6’s out of position and called your all in after you have him dominated of course to only see that you have him dominated and then the unspeakable happens 2 more cards come the turn and then the river and they spit out so fast that before your can even celebrate that you made a beatiful play. The turn and river has brought your opponent the 6 high flush they werent even counting and to top it all off they think that there good players when they take down a pot and say “that’s poker”. Well iam here to say that “No, its not poker to be dominated and then catch runner-runner and suck-out” Good Luck to you at the table I look forward to you ranting and railing me. Thanks for your time.
Face it people!!!
It’s………….not rigged!
Crazy hands happen live all the time as well! You are seeing 4x the hands online then live. Which is why you are seeing more and more bad beats.
I vowed that online was rigged before.
I’ve played over 1000 games on FT and 800 on PS! Started with $150. Play 2 dollar sng. Never more than $230. Never under $80. What a waste of time!
9/11 was an inside job however!
Hey, I have played poker online for a couple years. I will say that on other sites I win on a regular basis. However, on full tilt my best hands fall apart. When i am 80 or 90 percent to win hands i lose on a regular basis. I would say maybe I am just on a real unlucky streak…however, these sorta streaks have NEVER happened to me on other sites over YEARS of playing..soooo you decide. This is all true :) So I really do not know what is up with full tilt.
I truly believe that Full Tilt is rigged. I have made continual deposits of $50 and watched it sail away to bad beat after bad beat. Just a few examples. I have AK the flop comes out A, 3, 7 rainbow. The guy bets 9, I raise to all in. He calls me immediately without hesitation. His hand pocket 10s. OK of course a 10 hits. Boom, I need to make another deposit. OK then I get pocket Aces. I am all in with 1 guy, there is about $103 in the pot. His hand A,2. OK the flop 2,2,5 WOW, is that even possible. OK here is the next one. I have pocket 4’s. The flop 4,4,5 Amazing I flopped Quads. I go all in and the guy calls with A,5. OK the next 2 cards 5,5. What???? Can that really happen? What amazes me more is that prior to all these bad beats I had cashed out a grand. Ever since then, I can’t win. I remember playing in a 9 man $109 sit-n-go. There was a pro in the room because his name was in red and he had his own icon. Anyway he had 5 consecutive all-in’s when he was the underdog and won all of them. I was laughing as I knew never to challenge him because it would not let you win. He had pocket jacks against pocket kings. A Jack on the river. hmm. He was all in with Q,j against pocket aces. the flop 8,9,10. Amazing. Next he had pocket 8’s. All in against A,k the flop a, 9, 10, 4 ,8, OK wow an 8 on the river. This guy is awesome. . The next was his A,q vs A,K. The flop 7, 9, 3, 2, Q. Of course, I saw it coming before it came out. Finally he was all in K,10 vs pocket 5’s. The flop 5, 9,Q,4, BOOM J!!! NOOOOOOOO it couldn’t be!!! At least they gave the other guy three 5’s. The sad thing is that Full Tilt is a great smooth site. The games are fast and it moves quickly. I just wish it was legit.
I would have to agree that full-tilt poker is rigged.
I have been winning consistently now for over 4 years on stars, pokerroom and party. I only play low limit games and usually make about $1000 every 6-8 months. Enough to pay for a holiday in the summer when I usually cash out and start all over again from $50.
Anyway, I deposited $100 at full tilt for the bonus and I had heard good things about it. I lost it within 3 days. I could not believe what I was witnessing with suck-out after suck-out after suck-out. I can’t be bothered to go into the exact hands. But they go along the lines of what everyone here is saying.
Anyhow, I deposited another $100 thinking that maybe it was just terrible luck. But no, exactly the same thing happened.
Now I know about variance and bank roll management. But I also know about mathematics. And what I witnessed there was just not mathematically viable.
I have no proof and I don’t care what others say. I know it is rigged and I wil never play there again.
Just my tuppence
I’m in with the rigged crowd. No way these hands are random.
It’s not just rigged, it’s almost comically rigged. It’s actually funny. They’re shameless.
I’ve played poker my whole life. I’m no pro, but am a skilled player, have placed in tournaments, etc. FTP is so rigged, it’s embarrassing. I played for real money a while back (before the online poker ruling) and found it to be obviously rigged. So, I just played with play money for a couple of years. Just recently, I deposited a little back in and played again. The card action is just night and day. YES, I understand the caliber of player is better on the cash side, but it’s just a complete joke. Absolutely NO MATTER WHAT your opponent needs to draw out on you, they will. There is NO limit to this, and it will happen EVERY SINGLE time. The only time it doesn’t happen is towards the beginning… just after you make your deposit. After that, it’s all over. I got to the point where I would just laugh. AK against KJ…. all in on the turn with top pair (KK) …. of course, river is a J. Not just sometimes… ALWAYS. Do yourself a favor and just buy lotto tickets. People DO actually win lotto from time to time. Or, just take your money into the front yard, pour lighter fluid on it and set it on fire. It’s the same thing.
Again, I’m not bitter. I actually just did the recent test-run to see if it was still as bad.
It’s worse. Maybe they’re hurting for cash since the ruling… but it’s brutally obvious how bad it’s rigged.
RIGGAMORTIS!!!!!!
Adam, I agree, they are shameless and if you do the research, just read forums and search google, you will see players all over the internet claiming the same things. It isn’t a coincidence.
Bad beats occur but it is only at FTP where you can run into multiple 2 outers in succession in such small hand samples. 2 outers occur, and maybe every 20,000 hands or so you will run into a few in a row. The point is, if you get your money in as a 1/12 favourite on the flop vs someone with two outs, over a large sample you could easily win 30 in a row and it wouldn’t be outside of variance.
ASK yourself this, have you ever had big favourite hands hold up for more than ten times in a row? It should happen, such big favourites should go on very long winning runs in the longterm just because the odds are so good for your hand. Studying my PT hands where I lost to a two outer, my best winning run all in on the flop vs. a two outer is 7- this in itself is all the evidence you need to know things are not right at this site.
Play at FTP and multiple 2 outer bad beats and running cards for crazy straights just always seem around the corner- and when they come, they come in bunches, which I believe is a function to make you tilt. Tilting players= more Rake= more $$$ for the people who run the site.
FTP will be exposed- it is only a matter of time…
Full Tilt poker is definitely rigged. I have proof. I used to play there all the time, and i started keeping track of how often i won compared to the percentages on a variety of situations. These of course were all in preflop situations, to rule out the variable of post flop betting. I found that i ran 15-25 percent worse than i should in every single catagory(for example in 50/50 coinflips i ran at 32 percent). This is over the course of hundreds of these situations, so you would think the numbers would even out in the end, but they dont. FULL TILT POKER IS RIGGED AGAINST THE PEOPLE WHO REGULARLY PLAY THERE, FOR THE PURPOSE OF LETTING THE NEWBIE DONKEYS WIN, AND THEREFORE CONTINUE PLAYING AT THEIR SITE. It is more subtle if you dont play there everyday, but there is no longer any doubt in my mind that their software is knowingly rigged.
no doubt in my mind that FTP is rigged. Amazing river suck outs time after time. I am officially boycotting any online poker at full tilt
I am so glad 2 see i am not alone. I get up a bunch, and then lose it all in the craziest of ways. In 1 session, my q-q or k-k was beat by a-a 6 times. Ive seen guys sit down, never talk if you talk 2 them, call a raise AND reraise w/ j-3, and then flop a boat. i cant count how many times ive had best hand, only to have opponent catch THE ONLY ONE CARD on river that he can win with. part of me wanted 2 believe it was just me, and if i switched my game up i could still win. nope. part of me tho, loves how smooth and easy 2 navigate the site is. I wish the site had random cards, and would love 2 see another site like it but w/ the honest cards.